Agressive behavior some help please!

Omnicromm · Post by **Omnicromm** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:49 pm

Hello Guys i hope all of you are great!!!!, well i have this problem that is worring me a lot, i have two IRN, Kiwi and Daikiri well i dont know the sex of them but as far as the seller (a very bad one by the way) told me kiwi is a male and daikiri is a female, anyway acording to the seller the are now around 12 months but i think they are something around the 15 months (taking the 10 months peak color change as a reference) so i am waiting the 24 months to see if i have a couple or two of the same sex, they live in the same cage, they eat some seed, pennut and nuts mix that i make and twice a week veggis and fruit (they dont accept the veggis and fruit more tha twice a week) they are not tammed at all but now they are accepting some bits of food from mi hand and they are not too scare about me anymore, they have been agressive with each other at some level i was thinking it was ok since my moms amazons and lovebirds are some kind agressive to each other, but this week everything change, they started to do some kind of dance with their wings half open and their eyes pinned i was thinking maybe both of them are males (since is like the male mate dance vidios i have seen), but no, now after that dance they are really agressive to each other, most of the time they are figthing i had to put two food bowls since they are not eating togheter anymore, even be at the same pearch could be a ring to start the fight! now i am really worry if is the bluffing stage well i could uderstand it and i am going to wait to see what happend, but i am pressuming they are too young for the bluffing stage or not? because if it is not a bluffing stage i am going to split them in two cages, i had memories of two bee parrots that killed each other when i was a child so maybe someone could give me a clue of what to do, i dont want to wait until one of them is really injured but i dont want to split them it is the bluffing stage since i know it is only temporally, by the way they are not agressive with me they are afraid about me in a regular basis except when i give them bits of food, that they are accepting without trouble,

thanks a lot for any help!

Alex

courtney · Post by **courtney** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:16 am

You can't tell the sex until they develop the rings and that can take two to three years. If there is no ring it’s a female if there is then it’s a male.

Personally I would separate. I would be way to nervous. They are becoming teenagers now, LOL. When you say fight, does one attack the other and chase it around? Does one just pick on the other? How exactly are they fighting?

bec · Post by **bec** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:35 am

seperating is definitly a good idea if you can put them in seperate rooms for a day or longer still they start calling for each other
im not sure why they are doing this hopefully someone will have an idea?

Omnicromm · Post by **Omnicromm** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:34 am

Thanks a lot for the answers!!! well they have not devenloped a ring yet since they are teenagers, the seller told me they are a couple but i know he was guessing in fact he is a very bad seller he had something like 20 or more birds in a very small and dirty place, and he only gave them sunflower seed but sadly he is the only one that sells the IRN´s here (and just from time to time) so i am waiting to see if they are a couple or two of the same sex, anyway to describe the figths: sometimes one of them do this dance with pin eyes wings half open like the male dance, the other one followes the first one and suddenly their peaks are hooked and the winner chase the other one around the cage, generally the winner is Daikiri; in other times when Daikiri is at some pearch and then kiwie goes to that pearch, then Daikiri pin (his/her) eyes and open his peak, then Kiwi jump to another pearch but Daikiri starts to chase Kiwi around the cage until another thing distracts him from what he is doing or Kiwi confronts him; Kiwi is bigger in size and is more robust but the agressive one is Daikiri sometimes Kiwi is at bottom of the cage for some reason and Dakiri goes only to chase him, well since my mom had amazons and lovebirs i was used to the fights between the birds but what is worring my is the consecutive of them, at first it was only 2 or 3 times per day but now it is almost all the day, so here is my idea this month i have a break from the work so i could be with them the most of the time, i could see if it continues like this to take a better desition about separate them or not what do you think guys? by the way they are living with me since the last november and i putting a lot of effor in tamme them

Alex

another question if i split them in two rooms and they call for each other can i put them togheter again? the factor that they are not tammed could be afectig they behavior and transforming them into a territorial birds?

thanks a lot for the help guys!!!!

Recio · Post by **Recio** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:10 pm

Hi Omnicromm;
Young IRN show sexual behaviour displaying sometimes as males and othertimes as females. In my experience the only thing that is made by males but not by females is the pinning eyes .... so you probably have 2 males. Give them a big aviary or separate them.

Buena suerte

Omnicromm · Post by **Omnicromm** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:45 pm

Thanks a lot to all of you for your help guys, well the things continue worst and worst, so two days ago Kiwi was at the bottom of the cage suddenly Daikiri jump from the top and bites Kiwi very strong, well no real damage was inflicted since he only tooks some feahters but that was all for me i splited them in two cages, i placed them very close, now they eat, play and do everything happier, now i am thinking that maybe my couple is going to be two males because i saw them displaying to each other from one cage to the other cage.

At first i was sad but now i am thinking this split is going to be for the best, because kiwi was used to took some bites of food from my hand (specially grappes and apple bites) but Daikiri was not doing that no matter for how long i offer it to him but today he was going to accept my offer at the end he didnt but he never was so close to me before!!!

maybe this is going to help in my tamming process

process that is really hard!!!!!

thanks a lot again guys any advice is going to be apreciated!!!

Alex