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IggyRingneck
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We want our old bird back!

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Hi! I'm new here and my blue indian ringneck, Iggy, was brought home in March this year. :)

He's been lovely; he chirps, lets us scratch/pet him, and sits happily on top of shoulders. (although there was one phase of biting which we endured.) Iggy's out of his cage nearly all the time, with the exception being night/bed time, and he's very happy out. We do also give him the option of going back. :)
Anyway, recently another (worse) biting phase has started, and he's learnt to be quick. Every time we catch him biting something he can't (like a TV remote, book pages, PC screen etc.) we tug the object away from him and often move him to his little bird 'playground/gym'. Very quickly, he'll fly back and the process repeats all over. Now, Iggy's become quite wary of hands. He runs or flies away when I try to pick him up, or he lunges and bites very hard, enough to make you bleed, and he won't let go. He doesn't give much of a warning apart from his pupils shrinking. Though he accepts food and treats calmly and still feels comfortable on people's shoulders. He only seems to react to hands whether they're flat or raised. Except for me, whole family has become afraid of him.
Have I damaged our relationship permanently? Will I be able to get the old Iggy back? Please help! :(
ellieelectrons
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Re: We want our old bird back!

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Hi and welcome.

I'm sorry to hear about your birdy-problems! I do feel for you. These sorts of issues can be hard to resolve and you may never resolve them completely but they can definitely improve.

Do you know how old your bird is? Are you sure of your bird's gender?

If I try to look at what is happening from your bird's perspective, I would say that as he doesn't spend much time in his cage he views the whole house as his home and therefore everything in it is his to play with. When you take what he wants off him he probably enjoys the interaction with you and sees it as a challenge to get back to "his things".

There are a variety of things you can do but some of them aren't easy. I'm not suggesting you do all of the things on this list, you need to do what you can live with. Here are some ideas:

1. clip his wings - this will restrict his ability to get to things he shouldn't. Whilst they are clipped you can then work on training him to resist these objects (or train him to accept other objects as replacements) so that hopefully you won't need to clip them again next year. (Please note: I'm not advocating wing clipping but it is one way to achieve change. If you do go down this path, make sure someone who knows what they are doing does it and doesn't overclip and clips both wings - your bird should be able to fly downwards so that he can land comfortably if he falls).

2. have your bird spend more time in his cage - I mostly have my birds out of the cage under reasonably good supervision. Even with that, during nesting season last year, Janey bit through an electrical cable in our laundry and could have killed herself and us. You could start by putting your bird in his cage when he gets into things he shouldn't.

3. hide things you don't want him to access (eg. tv remotes). - I cannot use my iPad in peace when Charlie is out of the cage, so I got a FisherPrice case for it so that if I want him to interact with it he can without me worrying about him damaging it but other than that, I don't use it when he is out. You can hide things under cushions, etc. when your bird is out. When your bird is attacking the remote, you mentioned you put him back on his play area and then he flies straight back. At this point I would recommend hiding the object in question.

4. provide alternatives for your bird - see if you can find similar objects that he can happily chew.

5. make your birds cage more attractive - put more toys in there (similar to objects he likes to chew), have lots of foraging opportunities, rotate the toys regularly

6. increase/have training time with your bird - use positive reinforcement training to train your bird some tricks and other behaviours. This is a lot of fun although it does require patience on your part. It provides lots of positive interactions between the bird and his humans, they enjoy it because it's challenging and gives you another way to communicate. You may also be able to use positive reinforcement training to train your bird to not chew the things he wants to chew.


Also, keep in mind that some mature IRNs will exhibit changes in behaviour when their bodies think it is breeding season. I don't know whether this might be the cause of the current behaviours, but it is worth keeping in mind.

I'm sure others will have more to add.

Best wishes.

Ellie.
InTheAir
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Re: We want our old bird back!

Post by InTheAir »

Heyo,

Don't stress, you haven't permanently damaged your relationship with Iggy!

It sounds like it may just be a breakdown in communication with him, he may not understand why you keep snatching the fun toys from him and putting him somewhere he doesn't wish to be at the time.

We have found trading objects for treats works well and keeps our relationship with our bird positive. Because I enjoy training him to do tricks, we can say 'ta' and he will bring whatever he is playing with to our hand in the hope we will give him a sunflower seed. After he eats the treat we give him an appropriate toy to play with.

We recently had a problem with him chewing cornices in our house. We finally worked out that our reaction was encouraging him, we responded by dropping what we were doing to growl at him and move him to a perch he was allowed to chew... He figured out that if we were trying to watch tv or use the net the easiest way to get our attention was the sound of a beak crunching away at our house... We stopped responding to him when he did it and he seems to have replaced cornice chewing with talking really loudly (which is quite annoying when you are trying to concentrate on something else, but better then eating our house).

The other thing that may help is foraging toys on Iggys playperch, we found it diverts our birdys destructive habits to something acceptable to us. This weeks special has been toilet roll tubes stuffed with treats that have been wrapped in paper, we cover the ends of the roll with paper and sellotape it up then hang it from a string from his perch. He loves picking every bit of sellotape off it (vet told us sellotape is safe).

I hope that helps add to Ellies suggestions.

Clipping is an absolute last resort. I haven't kept a clipped bird, but I have read quite a bit about how it can exacerbate biting problems, as well as not being so good for the birds health and wellbeing.

Claire
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Skyes_crew
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Ellie makes a good point about him thinking that the whole house is his territory. You can try increasing cage time a little. This will also help if you wind up having a female, who once sexually mature, will be very territorial.

I also agree with Claire that he may believe its a game of you snatching and him retrieving. I also highly recommend training as a way to keep your birds mind engaged on proper behavior. Training helps you gain control of a situation without snatching and frightening the bird. Try looking up videos of flight recall on YouTube.

As for the items around the house he likes to chew...I believe another of our members, MissK, suggested to keep them in a container with a lid. Out of sight out of mind.

Just keep using positive reinforcement and training and he will eventually learn to be comfortable with hands again. :)
I am owned by my birds...and I wouldn't have it any other way :D

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ellieelectrons
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Re: We want our old bird back!

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Hi Iggyringneck

Re-reading my post, I wouldn't want you to think that I'm an advocate for keeping birds shut in cages all day and clipping their wings. One of my favourite things is to see my birds flying around our house. :)

For me personally, wing-clipping is a last resort. There are definitely examples out there which demonstrate that some birds will bite more with their wings clipped because they can no longer fly away when they are forced to do something they do not want to do. I do remember some incidents, though, happening to members on this forum several years ago now, where their bird was flying at them, landing on them just to bite them, usually on the face and it would draw blood. Looking back now, I think it was probably female nesting behaviour - I experienced similar last year. Back then, though, we didn't recognise it as nesting behaviour, and the owners received advice to clip the bird's wings and it did work. With my girl, when I realised it was nesting behaviour, I persevered and did not clip her wings and I was able to minimise the bites by not opening cupboards or drawers (her prized nesting areas) when she was out of the cage --- and I learned that during the nesting period I had to supervise her ALL THE TIME when she was out... eventually though we got her a nestbox.

I think with my next house I'll be looking for a house with more doors so that we can have an area that we can hang out with the birds and make it safe for them. At the moment, there is no door between the dining area, lounge, kitchen and laundry which makes it very difficult to keep our flighted birds safe if they are not well-supervised at all times when they are out of the cage. We had a scary incident last year which unfortunately has meant a little less out of cage time for our guys especially during breeding times.

Ellie.
Skyes_crew
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Re: We want our old bird back!

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I love seeing my birds fly too Ellie....but I gotta tell you that I reached a point yesterday with hamlet that I was threatening to clip him lol. He was dive bombing some ladies from church that came to visit. He just wanted attention, but I was at my whits end with him. I recalled him to his cage and locked his butt up :)
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MissK
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Ellie,

I have a few sturdy curtains hanging in my doorways, and (knock on wood) they contain the bird.

-MissK
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MissK
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Iggy,

I had some experience with my bird about a year ago that involved me not respecting his desire not to be picked up. Long story short (everyone note the date and time I did not take a whole page to say something) the situation was well rectified by me totally stopping the offending handling behaviour. Within maybe four months the hard biting had turned into soft biting, and by the end of the year there was almost no biting of any type left. SO, take heart. You have NOT damaged your relationship beyond repair. Find a way to get what you want without subjecting your bird to being hauled away and cease immediately all unwelcome handling. If you do nothing else, time should heal this.

-MissK
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ellieelectrons
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Re: We want our old bird back!

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MissK wrote:Ellie,

I have a few sturdy curtains hanging in my doorways, and (knock on wood) they contain the bird.

-MissK
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't keep Janey out. She likes to hang off curtains and see what's on the other side! So far we've tried 2 different sorts of fly-screen curtains and they deter a little but she can still get through.

Ellie.
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