Help, how do I stop mean biting Noodle

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Danielle B
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Help, how do I stop mean biting Noodle

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Hi everyone,

Im hoping someone may have an idea on how to curb Noodles biting.

I purchased the most beautiful blue lacewing about 6 months ago and was sold it as hand reared and as 14 weeks old.
For the first few weks Noodle went through a total depression and just shook every time we went near it.
With a lot of patience, nattering to it and spoiling it with new toys it slowly came aroung but still shakes on the odd occasion. Noodle still has the odd panic attack now and then when we approach it and shakes, poor birdy :(

I have called the breeder today about noodles constant biting and fierce independance who still insists that the bird was fully tame when we purchased it, but it did not boldly step up on viewing but hid and shook in my lap. I know that I probably should not have purchased Noodle but felt so sorry for it. The cage noodle and the other birds were kept in was small and filthy.

I feel that Noodle had minimal contact and the contact it has had was not good from the breeder. Also I think that noodle may be slightly older than stated as it has been going through a moult for the past few weeks and has developed a lovely turquoise ring around its neck and the same pretty colour above its tail.

OK so the problems im trying to overcome with noodle is the biting.... Its been biting for about 6 months now and we are growing tired of this behaviour.

Noodle will step up but i have to have a thick wooly jumper on and over my hand as it bites and real hard too. Its not just me Noodle bites but my adult son and sister as well.

Noodle lives in a huge cage which it is guarding, even if I put Noodles fav treats of apple in the cage it will come over as fast as it can to try and attack my hand. Most of the time i tell it off and do not get bitten but Noodle has caught me a few times.

We can only stroke noodles head if we entertain it with a feather it has moulted out which it bites and attacks while we fluf it around its head.

Noodle has climbed up my arm and looked like it would happily sit on my shoulder, then promptly attacked my ear and made me bleed :(

How on earth do I get my little beast to stop biting us all ??

Noodle does have some good points and this is what makes us not want to give up and sell noodle, but we are finding it hard with the constant biting....

Noodle loves to come out every day and will happily land on my sisters and my head where it catches a ride until it bites us.

Noodle begs like a dog for a bit of something that we are eating and if we dont instantly give it something it will squark at us and hop up and down. Its so funny and rather cute when it does this.

Noodle will take any food from our fingers, even tiny seeds and does this so gently that you would almost be decieved that this bird does not bite.

I do have a spare, much smaller cage in my bedroom that I pop noodle in if im going to chill out in my bedroom for the evening rather than leave it all alone in the front room. Noodle is a lot sweeter in the smaller cage and will come over to the front and nibble your finger through the bars, let you stroke its beak and lick your finger with its tongue. In this cage I can make Noodle give me a kiss as well and it does a funny little baby dance to me and my sister. In the larger cage it would just bite me.

I have tried to give as much information about Noodle in the hope that someone will know where I should go from here with regards to curbing this biting.

Pleasehelp, danielle and abbie
ellieelectrons
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Re: Help, how do I stop mean biting Noodle

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Hi

Firstly, if your bird bites faces/ears, do your best to keep it off your shoulder. We only let one of our birds on our shoulder after some face and ear bites. Sometimes she manages to find her way there any way and when this happens I get her off onto a shoulder height perch as quickly as I can and I keep my face and ears as far away from her as I can. I don't turn to face her or look at her.

I've also read but not sure if it's true that birds sitting on your head is a sign of dominance and you shouldn't allow it. I don't know if that's true but that combined with the biting is probably a good reason to not let it on your head.

Would you consider wing clipping? If you don't believe in wing clipping, that's ok but it will make your bird easier to manage (just make sure you get it done by someone who knows what they are doing). You can still work with your bird even if you don't wing clip but I think it would help you a lot quickly given how bad the situation is.

I would also suggest you introduce foraging. See this thread for more information:
http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... =2&t=11701

Do you do positive reinforcement training? This can build a great bond between you and your bird and gives your bird something to do with it's brainpower.

Good luck & best wishes.

Ellie.
Danielle B
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Re: Help, how do I stop mean biting Noodle

Post by Danielle B »

Hi Ellie,

Thanks for your thoughts.

I learnt from the ear biting experience and do not let noodle edge its way up my arn any more.

Yes I do get the feeling that Noodles believes it is the dominant one of our household. It has only syarted flying to my sisters and my head over the past 2 weeks but we can discorage this behaviour !

Noodle has a kebab stick placed daily in random places in its cage with different fruit and veg each time and also millet, ive done this with noodle since its been with us and is currently ripping up a corn on the cob as i type.

I have not tried the clicker training with noodle but can buy one and give it a go !! How does clipping its wings stop it from biting ?

regards, D
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Re: Help, how do I stop mean biting Noodle

Post by ellieelectrons »

Somehow their whole demeanor changes when their wings are clipped and they tend to bite less. I guess it is to do with not being dominant.

With foraging, you can increase the difficulty to more than fruit kabob. Check out the foraging thread for more info if you're interested.

Also, you dont have to buy a clicker to do positive reinforcement training. There is nothing wrong with clickers so certainly get one if you want to but I don't use one in my training.

Ellie.
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