what mutation is this??

[njournel101]

Hey guys take a look at this picture and if you could answer my questions/concerns that would be great!

http://img858.imageshack.us/i/ringnecks.jpg/


I am thinking about buying this pair and I wanted some feedback from other people who know more about ringnecks.
Clearly this is a pair right? They are both 3 years old.


What mutation would the male be? The seller says albino but from what I have read albino males do not get a ring and this one has a slight gray ring.
And what mutations could I expect to get if they were to breed?


Finally, the seller told me they had an infertile clutch last year when they were 2 and a half years old. Apparently it was out of breeding season when she laid the eggs. Should this worry me or is this pretty normal considering it was their first clutch?


Any help would be appreciated!

[dog_glenn123]

I need to see more pictures of the male! side view if possible.

They may or may not be a paired but it is possible to have them lay eggs that are unfirtile first time around so not to worry to much there.

Now he is not an albino i would say he is either a grey cinnimon pallid or just a grey cinnimon.

he is also most likley around 2 to 2 and a half rather then three judging his ring.

I will give you the outcomes oof both possibilities based on them not carrying other genes.

1.0 grey(sf) blue pallid cinnamon
x 0.1 ino
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green pallidIno /blue cinnamon
50.0% 1.0 green pallidIno /blue cinnamon
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green pallid cinnamon /blue
50.0% 0.1 green pallid cinnamon /blue


1.0 grey(sf) blue cinnamon
x 0.1 ino
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue cinnamon ino
50.0% 1.0 green /blue cinnamon ino
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green cinnamon /blue
50.0% 0.1 green cinnamon /blue


Hope it helps but i would reallu like to see other angles of the male.

Ta Glenn

[njournel101]

Hey,

Thanks for the reply! I will try to get more pictures from the seller.
Can you explain to me what the different possible outcomes mean? Sorry if I sound a little stupid but basically I would like to know the basic colours I would get from the chicks. All the pallid, ino stuff doesnt mean much to me! I wish it did!

Also if he is either of the 2 possibilities you listed is he a rare bird to find or is he pretty common?

Thanks again

[dog_glenn123]

Will explain the best i can for you.
but first if he is a grey pallid (grey lacewing) not that rare.
if he is a grey lacewing cinnimon (cinnimon is the lightening effect) not as common but not rare.

The babies from option 1 is grey green lacewing ino which will make the bird look possibly olive with yellowish head and flights or green with yellow head and flights. for male babies.

For hens they will be the same as above but lighter as they will show the cinnimon gene.

The other option

the male babies will be either greygreen(looks olive) or green and
the hens will be the same but lighter.

Ta Glenn

[njournel101]

Okay thanks.
I will post more pictures of the male once I get them from the seller.
How much should I expect to pay for a pair like this? I don't want to overpay!

[dog_glenn123]

What country are you in firstly?
And they arent what is called a proven pair as they have mated together but are yet to produce firtile eggs and raise young.

Ta Glenn

[njournel101]

I am in the US.

[dog_glenn123]

Well our dollars better then yours t the moment

So below are what we pay in Aus.

For a Lutino (yellow) from a breeder is about $70 from pet shop about $100
For the male you have i would not say anything to the breeder about what we have spoken about as the albino price is cheeper then a lacewing or cinnimon or comb. as an albino it should be between $90 and $120.
If it is a lacewing or cinnimon depending our available IRN's are where you are will start about $120 and up to About $150.

Now as a pair it would be sold between $220 and $320.

Is this roughly the prices that are being asked for the birds?

Also if it is an Albino (i dont believe it is) then below are the results of breeding the birds.

1.0 blue ino
x 0.1 ino
% from all 1.0
100.0% 1.0 ino /blue
% from all 0.1
100.0% 0.1 ino /blue
you would only get lutino(yellow) babies the part that has /blue means the babies will carry a blue gene but you wont see any blue babies.

Ta Glenn

[njournel101]

Ok great thanks. Yea your dollar is better!
The seller is asking $320. I will wait for more pictures from him and I will post them on here before I make a decision.

thanks again

[dog_glenn123]

Yer get the other pictures and we will see what it is better.

Its at the higher end of the price range which i wouldnt expect for a pair that havent produced young.

Ta Glenn

[Lucas]

all birds and also IRN's that have the ino-factor are birds with red eyes, i dot see red eyes on your picture

albino is the combination of bleu and ino, ino is almost always a yellow bird and dont have a ring

[njournel101]

Great thanks. I am still waiting on another picture to put up.

I have another questions for you guys. I could possibly get a violet hen. One of her parents was a violet and the other 50% violet (im guessing this means it carried the gene but wasnt visually violet). Knowing this information could I get visually violet chicks from this hen if I paired her up with a blue cock? The blue cock had a blue father but I am not sure about his mother.
Basically I would like to know if this would be a good pair for me to try and pair up if I wanted violet chicks or other rare ringnecks...

Thanks a lot guys!

[dog_glenn123]

I sent you a responce to PM.

Ta Glenn

[angeldc77]

looks like a blue or gray pallidino to me