Black/Pink Cockatoos DO exist...

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:58 am

I deleted the other topic in case new members popped in. We dont argue here nor do we jerk chains. However, nothing wrong with a good debate if handled maturely... the other post was not.

So, lets keep this one nice and pleasant.

Here is proof that black cockatoos exist, other than the Black Palm Cockatoo. Also proof that pink/salmon cockatoos exist, as well. Furthermore, there are also Black Glossy cockatoos in existance:

http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww4eiii.htm

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vin ... atoos.html

If these links dont discuss black cockatoos I'll clean all of your bird cages. And If you dont see a pink Cockatoo on the other webpage, I will mow your lawn.

Noone knows everything hun. If you do then you are simply here to educate? Or Debate? I'm confused.

I was trying NOT TO HAVE to prove you wrong and take the high road by leaving but you made that very difficult for those out there trying to learn true facts.

Now... no more pettiness, we are all friends. I am off to work. Ya'll have a great day! Give all those babies a kiss from auntie 'Kayla.

Mazziemom · Post by **Mazziemom** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:08 pm

But still no black umbrella's

There are lots of black 'Toos, most of them extremly rare and extremly endangered...

But the umbrella's come in white.. with some nice yellow under the wings and even a soft touch of blue around the eyes.

The latin name "Alba" translates to .... "White".

I think in Ausie they are most commonly known as either Alba or white actually....

Athena

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:12 pm

Your cockatoo is a cutie. How old is s/he?

Are they all truly as affectionate as my research has shown?

Mazziemom · Post by **Mazziemom** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:15 pm

Which one?

The Umbrella, Ceebee will be six years old at Xmas... and yes, she is everything they say they are and more. She's amazing. Loving, sweet, cuddly, loud, destructive.... and more

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Lilly, the Goffins, is going on 13 and she's a kangaroo with feathers. Hops everywhere, into everything, and just wonderful. She's my oldest sons bird... devoted to him, and he to her

Athena

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:42 pm

There are a few Black Cockatoos: Red Tailed Black, Yellow Tailed Black, White Tailed Black, Glossy, Palm.

Black Umbrella Cockatoo :?:

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:17 pm

Not heard of the white tailed black before, I guess it's mainly in Western Australia.

It is possible for a black umbrella to be some sort of hybrid?

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:20 pm

Black umbrellas do not exist. Simple as that, and that's all I ever said.

I never once stated that there were no black cockatoos, merely that these peole were lying to you about a black umbrella. I was not challenging your knowledge, but rather theirs.

Since black umbrellas do not exist, they do not know what they have.

I also never stated that there were no pink cockatoos, in fact, I said there were- though not usually classified in their own group as black cockatoos are. I said it is believed that Galahs and Leadbeater's 'toos have even been shown through DNA to be more closely related to cockatiels than the white cockatoos which they are usually grouped with.
Plam cockatoos are considered separate from the black 'toos.

I even showed you a link with all the known species of cockatoo, including the black cockatoos. http://www.mytoos.com/Class.html
Note: no black umbrella 'too. That's all I was ever saying.

And note that all black toos have colour on them, in one form or another. Red, yellow, and even ticked markings- even the black glossy 'too.

I never stated anything of opinion in the other topic, only the facts. I just want to know what these people really have and are trying to pass off as 'black umbrellas'.

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:42 am

Ok, so we are arguing about UMBRELLAS rather than BLACKS?

*shakes her head*

Yesterday the argument was there were no black cockatoos when I said I would die to have a black umbrella cockatoo. I'd also love to have a time capsule but I fail to find one on e-bay. Then that there were no pink ones. Now we are arguing there are no black umbrellas? If you find a black umbrella, I'll pay 20 grand for it, that is be dream... too good to be true... never gonna happen. Closest you can come to that are the white yellow or red-tailed cockatoo. The palm cockatoo looks more like a peacock so that certainly isnt what I want.

The red tail in the flea market is a little beat up looking and I dont know the birds history but it is still young. I just cant see me buying from there. Nothing at a flea market should cost 10 grand and if it does it shouldnt be at the flea market.

Now thats squashed:

Your baby is 13!? That is another concern is the noise. So they are much louder than an Irn? They are sooo soft and sooo sweet. I have seen video of them being VERY LOUD which would be cool if it were for a few times a day. But much more than that and my man will have a birdie by the neck :shock:

I have heard the really loud, fast car alarm sound... is that about it or does it get worse?

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:49 am

Melika, Cockatiels are closely related to Black Cockatoos.

Mikaela, there is no such thing as a Black Umbrella and if you ever see one, it is a hybrid.

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:51 am

I know Jeremy, the misunderstanding arose over the 'umbrella' part.

I thought she was saying no blacks other than the palm and she thought I was saying black umbrella cuz I said I would kill to have one. It started over a bird I saw last weekend that looks basicially the same as an umbrella except all black... MINUS SOME RED ON THE TAIL (perhaps that is where the confusion began). We wont have anymore misunderstandings. Perhaps we were not specific enough or perhaps someone was having a bad day and feeling a little argumentative.

It even spilled over into me being told how my name came to be :lol:

Only my grandmother can elaborate on that. That is when I realized it wasnt about birds at all. Nonetheless, we all have bad days and to me, all is forgotten and forgiven.

I live in a neighborhood called Chaval, sure Melika knows of it. Anyway, many of the rich people here bought so many peacocks, because they have more money than sense. So now, upwards of 30-50 peacocks strut around our neighborhood. They are so beautiful and now belong to all of us because the original owners obviously set them free.

This has been going on for years now. Everyone stops for them, lets them hang out in their yards, some try to attract them. I dont because they are LOUD and I have 4 boys I wish not to be woken if it can be avoided hehe. They are protected by the wild life commission, as well as the homeowners association. It is a gated community or I am most sure they would have been stolen by now. Colin Powell lives here so getting in is like Fort Knox. I appreciate the security but it pisses me off a bit when I get calls from friends saying they tried to stop by but couldnt get in. :cry:

If homeoweners dont call the gate with a name and tag number, their visitors arent getting in... period. If you dont like it, move. They make no apologies.

This, I hope, was a classic case of online misunderstanding, Im sure. Text often sounds much different than it looks. I understand that, completely. This board WILL NOT turn into all the rest of the boards online. It WILL remain pleasant, even if that sometimes consists of members taking a break for a bit. Noone wants that because we would all miss that person, no matter whom it happened to be. So, lets get our happy faces on BEFORE logging in.

My granny always said if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. She also once said if you jerk a dogs chain too many times, even the sweetest dog will bite you. :wink:

Jeremy, you mentioned hybrid. I know a very little about that (mixing breeds?) but that is about it. Are hybrids bad? Sort of like ruining a blood line among horses or Doggies? If you would like to elaborate I would like to soak it up like a sponge.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:28 am

Hybrids are bad.

Hybrids are mixed species. It is like breeding a Peachface Lovebird with a Mask Lovebird. There are many health problems that occur from the result of hybridization. The offspring can be infertile and can also have many deformities.
It is a lot like inbreeding really, the same problems occur.

Where i live it is illegal to knowingly breed hybrids and fines of up to $250 000 can be put in place.

Carly · Post by **Carly** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:07 am

In terms of a 'black umbrella' - i can understand why someone could think this could exist based on the crests. some cockatoos have a very defined, 'pointy' crest eg sulfur cresteds:

and others (like the umbrella) have a less defined, 'blunt' crest

and some black cockatoos, like the glossy black, also have a 'blunt' crest

so yeah, if you look at the umbrella and then at the glossy black, they could look like black and white versions of the same bird, but as far as i know, melika is correct, there is no such thing as a 'black umbrella'. even a hybrid between the two would be unlikely to be totally black.

and mikaela, if it is a glossy black, i would think $10,000 is cheap for that bird, even here in Australia! they are simply stunning.

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:09 am

Mikaela -- Jay told me that some loon was actually selling a "time machine" on ebay, :roll:

here's two nice pics of red-tailed black cockatoos, I've met them, very nice birds. http://www.adelaidebirdclub.com/abccockatoo.html I hope to get more images for the gallery I need to go chase some members with a big stick. They have lots of yellow dots and stripes on them.

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:21 am

Yeah Carly, this fella's crest is more like the middle pic you posted, as nice as an umbrellas, which is why I think umbrellas are so pretty. But he is solid black with a red bar on his tail.

Im sure you have seen pics of white red or yellow tailed black too's. They look like umbellas, morseo than a palm for example. So, considering my dream is to have a black umbrella, that is my closest option.

I wouldnt mind having a pink kitty either but short of dying one of them, it isnt going to happen.

Now, where is the link to that time capsule :lol:

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:27 am

Jeremy wrote:Melika, Cockatiels are closely related to Black Cockatoos.

That is true, but so are galahs and major mitchell's (leadbeaters): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galah

:wink:

Yup, Mikaela. I was always talking about a black umbrella, lol. I always said, "black umbrella(s)". :lol:

And you brought up pink cause I guess you thought I meant no blacks. I didn't know we weren't on the same page with subjects, LOL!
So they do have red? I thought you were saying they were black umbrellas... :lol:

And the thing about your name is in a whole 'nother topic altogether, lol. Somewhere in the intro area, I think. :wink:

Anyway, I began looking (my sister and I both) at black 'toos years ago, since her dream is a black palm. Then she found out the price and decided it will remain a dream, LOL. But the red-tailed 'too is my fav. of all the blacks. ^_^

Toos are loving, but louder than peacocks I would say. Here's a good site with a TON of info on 'toos: http://www.mytoos.com/

I hope you find some useful info there. ^^

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:44 am

Thanks Melika:

OMG louder than a peacock? Did you read my post about where I live? (Chaval) We have MANY of them that strut the 'hood from the people with more money than sense buying them and setting them free.

The post is my last post up.

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:53 am

I don't think I've been to Chaval.

But in Dunedin near my grandmother (not really my grandmother, but my borther's grandmom... bro is actually half by blood but full by law... long story) there is a cemetary where they run free and breed and whatnot.

Shs said a lady once would carefully drive over the male's tails and then honk her horn, effectively plucking all their tail feathers and taking them home for her flower arrangements. People like that sicken me. She was caught by the police and fined or whatnot. But still.

The Mollucan 'too is louder than a 747 or close to it... it has info on loudness on that site.

Peacocks are loud intermitantly... 'toos are loud about 15 mins straight every morning, well most of them from what I hear from owners. ^_^
And some are loud when the people are gone... sounding home and car alarms and such, lol.

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:26 am

The Mollucan is a pretty bird too. Girl cant go wrong with pink. :wink:

So with a 'too the noise is VERY loud but not for VERY long? That, my husband could deal with. It is the constant screaming Peek-a-Boo use to do that the family couldnt tolerate.

I have the upmost respect for my family and dont want to put them through what Peek-a-Boo did. She was a 24/7 shoulder bird. Need I say more? :roll:

Jeremy:

Thanks for that info., I figured it wasnt a good thing. It should be against the law considering it causes awful health problems.

Sometimes people just suck. Animals are far cooler.

Post by **Datsun and Family** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:59 pm

I want a Mollucan!!!!!!!! Oh they are sooooooo pretty!

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:36 pm

Mikaela, keep in mind that 'toos can easily develop behavior issues, especially if coddled regularly at first (new puppy syndrome) and then given less attention after that. You have to be very consistant. If you choose two hours of direct contact, then make sure it's two hours from the beginning. Again, that site goes into a lot of info about raising a too right.

I don't know if I'd want something as loud as a 747 blaring for ten mins or more at the crack of dawn... he he.

I'm more fond of the deep voices of the macaws, rather than high pitches. :wink:

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:45 am

That is awesome advice. I tend to give my feathered babies too much attention... I know but they are MY TIME, my thing, me just being Mikaela rather than Mama, taxi, wife, blah blah blah.

It has been all I can do not to carry those kittens around 24/7 but I only look in on them and touch there warm tummies. If I hold them now we will end up keeping all three and thats retarded.

I am waiting until Mama cat decides her favorite, then bond to that one. She always (but most animals may do this) pays the runt special attention, holds him closer, cleans him more often, moves him first, ect. I dont know if it is her favorite or because it is the runt. Though the only way you can tell is his head is a little smaller.

My husband would kill that Birdie :oops:

He is very animal UNTOLERATE... why in the hell did he marry a friggin Cherokee Indian, we ARE going to have animals. He never came clean about this and still wont admit it. However, when he and I got married, we made a mutual decision to get rid of my pitbull Meeka. He was scared of her and the kids. The kids were scared of her. That dog was my babygirl... she protected my son and all all of his life! We lived alone. She made us safe... noone wanted to even look at her she looked so mean, BUT WASNT. Do I harbor resentment about having to put my dog in the back of a truck heading to Ocala? I still cry when I think about her but she is running free now. Being the dirty, playful, happy girl she always was. She doesnt have to stay in a room because the kids are afraid of her, rather she is probably sleeping in a hole she dug somewhere and couldnt be happier.

I can go see her anytime I want but I cant do that and... leave her again. Blah, welp, at aleast I cried all the morning goo out of my eyes. The moral of the story is I was manipulated into placing her elsewhere and I still cry everytime I think of her and yes, I dislike my husbands being so pushy about it, especially now that I know it wasnt about the dog looking mean it was ALL about his not wanting a dog. He knows how I feel, I assure you.

Mazziemom · Post by **Mazziemom** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:06 am

So with a 'too the noise is VERY loud but not for VERY long? That, my husband could deal with. It is the constant screaming Peek-a-Boo use to do that the family couldn't tolerate.

It can easily be long, we've gotten more 'Toos through here for screaming problems than for anything else. My son's Goffins was so bad that she would scream for eight hours solid... every single day.

Ceebee is a rare screamer, but even so she will scream every night for about 30 minutes (sundown song).

The volume of it... yea, a 747 compares. I can't even be in the same room... I go to another room and close the door until she's done. You cant even scream to another person in the room and be heard... its pointless.

And thats NORMAL healthy screaming. When they get a problem with it you can multiply it by 100.

Athena

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:53 pm

This might be something that has to wait for an outdoor aviary.

Thanks Yall

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:45 pm

lol, I don't think your neighbors would approve. City neighbors don't even like the dogs barking at the alley people.

Non-animal peeps... well, they suck. And they're boring. A little dog hair on the coat and feathers in the hair make life exciting! LOL.