IRN buyed in very bad condition need urgent help with photos

[Serkan323]

Hello evryone
My name is Serkan i live in Ankara/Turkey, 4 days ago i went to pet shop passage, there were lots of pet shops next to each other. I used to breed tumbler and post pigeons and in this place u can find many of those allso. Well to cut the story short i have entered one of the shops and i have seen this indian ringneck, i was not thinking of buying one but the conditions was terrible they had all kind of insects around the cages it was too small and there was a cockroach swimming in the water thingy. So i decided to buy it but i have not experince with parrots, i used to keep pigeaons they have some similar behavior but in genaral i cant really compare them so i will be needing your help guys. And for the curious ones i have payed around 60 usd for the bird. I will post some pictures pls send me your comments about what am i doing what am i doing right. Name of the bird is Küçük Kus this means small bird in turkish.


Take a look at the feathers i think they are in bad condition


Can u guys pls tell me its age by looking at the eyes


Feets maybe will help for the age allso


Tail looks really bad compared to pictures in this site ,what can i do with this. If this was a pigeon i would pull out the broken tail feathers and new one will grow out fast but i am not sure if this is a good thing to do with parrots.


Wing feathers allso in same condition


This is the cage its pretty big i can fit inside. It has a trey to pull from under but there is no door at sides and really bad thing about it is that it is polished inside and outside since this is originaly for pigeons i used for quaraantina


Water thingy i change it evry day at 12:00


one of the container have seeds other one contains bird sand dont know if its proper. If this was a pigeon i would give him small rocks and the white thing is used for beaks but for budgies i have placed that allso incase but never saw him paying attention to that .


This picture is taken from top. The door of the cage is on top i have opened it and took the picture. That rope can help the bird to coem out of the cage when the door is open its made of natural materials and the sticks are thanks god not polished.


and here it is eating grapes. It allso likes apples its hard to control him when it sees an apple but i am still not sure if its okey to give him furuit, he eats them since 4 days. evryday like one or two slice


these are the seeds i give him evryday and make sure that there are allways some in the cage

And for the last thing i woulld like to ask you guys to excuse me for bad english..

Fair winds.

[Jim]

Hi Serkan,

That guy's lucky you found him. His dark, stringy feathers are a pretty good example of what a bird looks like that hasn't been fed properly.

Fruits are fine but are much less dense in nutrients than vegetables. See if you can get him to eat dark green vegetables like broccoli and green pepper and meaty yellow and orange vegetables like carrots and squash. Try to limit the amount of seed he eats to no more than about half of the total food he eats. Also, parrots don't need the sand like pigeons do.

Another option, depending on whether or not they're available in Turkey, is to switch him to a pelleted diet.

Regardless of what you do, you won't see much of a change until his next moult.

As far as his age, it's impossible to tell other than to say that he's probably older than 3 because of the ring.

Hope that helps. Good luck with him, and thanks for being willing to provide him with a better life.

Jim

[Serkan323]

Thanks a lot for the response Jim. i will try to give him some carrots and brocoli tomorrow. I have searched for pellets but none in Turkey Do you hve any opinions about the cage and should i pull the broken/cut feather to let them grow or will this effect its psycology in bad way right now he seems okey with me does not bite hard eats from my hand. There were 5 other irn at the shop allso but this was the worst looking one i just hope it wont die.

[Jim]

Go ahead and leave the feathers in. They're not hurting anything by staying there and, as you point out, you might make him mad if you attempted to pull them out. They'll fall out naturally when he moults.

As far as the cage goes, ideally there should be at least enough room for him to spread his wings in the middle of the cage and not come very close to any of the sides and he should be able to perch about two thirds of the way down the cage without his tail feathers touching the bottom. The more room you are able to provide for him, though, the more exercise he'll be able to get when he's in the cage.

Jim

[pinkdevil]

Oh wow Serkan, what a wonderful thing you did to get that poor bird out of those horrid conditions.

I am sure with your love and care he will become a handsom boy with plenty of affection to give.

My IRNs love sweet potato, grapes, apples (without seeds), oranges, carrots, bean, peas, corn, capsicum, broccoli, pumpkin, small amount of grain bread as a treat, pears....the list goes on really lol.

They are quite the little pigglets when it comes to food, especially fresh food.

I also found that mine like sprouted seed.

I am so glad you walked into that pet shop and saw him. I hope some one else saves the others. Problem is, this supports the the conditions by buying the animals, but what can you do? Can't leave a poor innocent animal in those conditions.

Good on ya!

[Crazyratwoman]

Yep what a wonderful thing you've done bringing him home to your care! He looks nice and tame too! If i held Petey like that i'd be minus a finger!!!!

Im sure he'll thrive!

[inept]

Honestly, I think that bird looks pretty good considering the conditions you rescued it from. A bit shaggy but not too badly off. I'd avoid feeding it the shown seed since seeds are high in fat and stuff. They have protein and minerals, but they are not a healthy overally diet.

[bec]

applews are great mine all love them plus brocoli and corn

[Darlene]

Hi Serkan
I have a female Indian Ringneck. She is a picky eater, and I have found a good recipe for a healthy cooked food that my IRN will eat. In Turkey where you live, if you can't find a pellet food for parrots, this recipe will help as a replacement food. And it is easy and good for your little guy.
You may be able to easily find these on your market there.
Ingredients:
Brown rice
Quinoa
lentils
couscous- ( a very small pasta)
A mix of green herbs

Measure about equal amounts of first four ingredients togather in a large sauce pan. Cover with water to allow for increase in valume as it cooks. The dry ingredients will increase to about two or three times as much as it cooks. Add the mixed herbs and when the lentils and rice are soft and most of the water is absorbed, it is done. Measure enough to make about two cups of cooked food at a time. This will store in a refrigerator for 4 or 5 days.
You can add some chopped green and yellow veggies. This recipe is high in nutrition for your IRN. They like nuts as part of there diet also.
It looks like this guy is freindly and tame. He is so lucky you rescued him from that awful place. He will make an awsome little friend and companion.
Hope this has been helpful
Darlene

[Serkan323]

After the research on turkish forums there are some ruours about pellets but no one has accured one unless u have an international contack i will try to feed it the best i can with the ingridians u guys wrote. I can put all of them in a mixer then blend them after i can add some combiner like yellow part of the egg or food jelly to make them look like crakers.

after i got this bird and made some research i have found out that no one wants to buy them in turkey they are know as green crows and they have a really bad reputation. They are talking about u need to whait 10 years to tame him on some sites weird huh

[Jim]

Hi Serkan,

If you want to try pellets, there are a couple of places in Germany and Italy that might be able to ship to you.

www.avifood.com
www.pappagallostore.it

Jim

[Bella]

They are talking about u need to whait 10 years to tame him on some sites weird huh

Some information on sites is so strange ive tamed my green male in less than 9months to the point that i can stroke his head, back and wings

[Serkan323]

Probblly mine is not tamed allso i mean dont think bird feels any connection towards me he just knows i have some furuits in my hand and lets me scratch him while he eats other then he usually try to go away

[kyria]

Thankyou for rescuing this bird its a good thing, he is a lucky bird.

If this bird lets you scratch him and eats out of your hand, and in the picture you can grab his beak and show his wings like that without him screaching and biting a huge bloody chunk out of your hand, then this bird is rather tame totally wild untame IRN's are rather nasty little creatures.

You will both settle down and become friends before you know it. Plenty of talking and interacting. Trust follows

I myself am not a believer in taking away seed, its a natural thing for parrots (hooked beak) to shell seeds, and I think they should stay with natural, just have it as a secondary food to fresh vegi and fruit. Include other things like table scraps, my birds like to chew up chicken bones and grissel, once every so often they love a little boiled egg, and adore soaked milk arrowroot biscuit.

Things to avoid you should never feed your bird are;

avacado
onions
apple seeds
chocolate of any kind
anything with salt or sugar, eg salted nuts or chips, sweet pie crusts etc.

just a few I can think of off hand

If you can get melons (rock melon, honey dew melon) they adore the seeds from this, wash them and dry them out. Make great treats.

If you ever feel that he will need shell grit, forget that too, parrots hull their seeds before eating so they do not need the shell grit to help grind the hard seed that other birds such as finces eat whole. It will only prove to irritate his crop and cause more harm than good.

Calcium perches are great for their claws, and also they will chew them, delivering extra calcium that he may need, thats if you can get them at the pet stores where you are.

Try and find natural wood (small branches) as perches to replace dowel rods, its much better for their feet, and they will love to chew them.

Just my hints for now.

And again .. I am so pleased you have taken this bird to look after

[Serkan323]

Thanks a lot for help kyria i will try to find some natural branches. I have a lot of furuit trees in the garden but i think they are poisoness for birds not sure tho. I can find some Pine tree branches are they okey with IRNs?? And other then i have tryed to give some potatio and carrot to little bird but he dint like them at all allso i think he does not like melon he shakes his head if he takes a bite. The problem is shower thing. I took the Bird out of cage and placed on a table with a bowl of water , there he stepped in to the water but did not want to stay inside so i took couple of drops from the water and sprinkle water to him from top then i took him out side to garden and placed him under sun for like 2 3 mins

[Darlene]

Hi Serkan, I read your post about the natural wood branches to give your IRN. You asked about pine. No pine or cedar, they have a resin in the wood that is toxic. You can cut and use wood branches from a fruit tree that has no resin in it. When it comes from outside, be sure to wash it before giveing to your bird.
If you have pomagranits on the market there, your IRN should really like it. It is what he would eat in the wild when they can find it. And pomagranits are very high in vitamins that help build a strong immune system to keep your bird healthy.

[Raja's_mom]

Birch trees are ok apple trees lilac trees are good safe tree's cherry apricot peach are not good you'll have to be careful here is a link just scroll down and it will tell you exactly whats good and whats not
http://www.mdvaden.com/bird_page.shtml I use natural perches for all my birds and I have 7 of them I also rescued 3 of my birds from horrible living standards. I'm so glad this guy grabbed onto your heartstring. My ringneck Raja is the sweetest most adorable little guy what a wonderful companion he is. I really don't understand why they have such a bad reputation. I havent found any of the negetive things people say about them to be true as far as Raja goes. 'He's just the sweetest little bird I've ever met. I'm so glad you have chosen a ringneck for a pet If he's anything like Raja you will have a wonderful companion I also wanted to let you know that birds love to play with toys. check out a few on line petstore to see what bird toys look like and then make your own it can be just about anything from a cardboard tube with a nut in it and fold up the ends so he has to fing the nut, some birds like wood blocks or Knotted ropes hanging from the ceiling. My bird likes bells and baby rattles ans swings. just use your imagination your bird will love it. Oh yea I almost forgot never feed him raw egg or potato all meats also must be well cooked. other than that if you like somthing there is a very good chance hes going to like it also. My birds will eat just about anything as long as they see me eating it that just how parrots are the love to eat. When you showed his wing that wit the 2 feathers and then the others cut it looks like a typical wing clip with 2 flights already growing back thats a good sign that he is molting and if thats the case then he will be growning all new feather within a couple months. you may want to keep his wings clipped if your house is not safe for birds to fly around in. I like my bird fully flighted because I think birds where meant to fly but I also have a double door to go outside so my birds can't accidently escape. I also took each bird around to all the windws in the house and pointed out that hey are solid and had them touch them with their beaks I don't want any accidents from flying into windows. Parrots are very intelegent and most are as smart as a 2 or 3 year old child some even more than that my African grey is more like a five or six year old. so teach him thing he will learn lots just talk to him like you would a child you will be pleasently suprized this is a picture of my IRN he is just a baby and doesn't have his rings yet but he's been Dna tested male so he will get them when he is 2 years old or so

[Serkan323]

Hello Raja's_mom i am so glad i have found this site such a wonderfull and friendly community u guys have here. I would like to thank to each one of you for helping me out. Since when i got this bird i dint even know what spicies it was i had no idea but after the researches they are the worst parrot to buy in turkey what a bad reputation maybe this is the reason why their prices are so low. I am glad that all those writing about IRN in turkish sites are wrong. If any of you will coem to turkey you should should take one back home or more their prices are real cheap compared to european prices 50 usd . I have an apple tree in my garden i will take some brances from the tree.

Raja looks wonderfull by the way really healty bird i gues compared to mine. My poor little bird.

I have hanged a wooden basket in to the cage and i place couple of apple slices and grapes in it. little bird had to do some acrobatic moves to reah it. ý think its a good excercise for him.

[Darlene]

Hi Serkan,
You are a special person for rescuing the beautiful IRN and takeing him away from filthy conditions he had to try to survive in. I am sure he will become bonded to you and be your best little companion for helping him. Now he is in a clean cage and one big enough for him. You are giveing him good food and toys. And you are learning about the IRN species. He will reward you with being your companion and even being sensitive to how you feel. He will be a little clown and make you laugh. And even talk and say things he hears you say. When he molts again, with good diet and care, he will grow in healthy new feathers and get more active and playful. You will learn that the bad reputation you have heard, is not true. And it comes from people who are uneducated about this species of parrot. The beauty and intellagance of the IRN was the reason they were given to royalty as valued gifts.
Good luck and keep up the good work with him. You will learn that the money value means nothing compared to how you will value him in so many other ways as you get to know each other.

[Raja's_mom]

Have you given your bird a name yet? Don't worry in no time with the proper care and feeding you will have a very healthy bird he just need lots of care and love and to go through a molt and he will be a beautiful as can be. I just can't get over people calling them Green Crows thats terrible My bird is not a crow and neither is yours. He seems like a very friendly bird he lets you handle him and thats a good thing it looks like some where in his past he had a owner that loved him. There is no way he would let you handle him like you do if he didn't. I'm sure he is going to be just the best companion once he gets his health back. he also may be looking a bit scruffy from being in to small of a cage at the pet store from getting his feathers stuck between the bars He may also be going through a heavy molt and that can also make them appear quite scruffy. Like I said I'm sure with all your care he will be just gorgous before you know it. If I'm ever in Turkey I'll pick up a dozen or so lol I paid $250.00 for my Raja He was hand fed and Dna tested so thats why but at $50. each thats very cheap I 'll take a dozen new babies please. Just joeking . I have my hands full with the birds I already have.

[Serkan323]

My birds name is Küçük Kus it means little bird in english allso i use that to call my girl friend. Küçük Kus is a cartoon caracter name here, it was in susame street. i am not sure if you can remember it i used to watch it like 20 years ago. If i will get a chanse i would like to find a lady for little bird and when i go back that horrible pet store i will take couple of photos and make u guys all come to turkey to buy one

And so far there is no dna test for birds in turkey and no ring made by goverment to give birds an identity