SL Edged

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:31 pm

interesting- do you have a photo of the sire of the four youngsters- if two are indeed SL Edged (one cock, one hen), then he needs to be SL Edged himself- as an edged hen is unable to have SL Edged female offspring unless she is paired to one herself.

Do you have a pic of the Grand dam (of the 4 youngsters) on the fathers side?

finally, it is a bit difficult to try and make out much detail in some of the pics- helps to post to a site like Photobucket:
http://s920.photobucket.com/ and then upload on here for larger pics.

Slightly off topic... what would a Cinnamon Clearheaded Fallow look like?

Carr.birds · Post by **Carr.birds** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:38 pm

Paul

It is beautiful pics. Very interesting line. I know CHF is a grey fallow but these birds look like misty imo.

Please post a close up pic of the blue/chf cock (father to the babies), if he is a badly marked Blue SL Edged/chf it can still be edged with babies in both sexes.

I will have to sex my 2 SL Edged CHF birds to guide us in phenotype difference between male and female.

Tienie

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:20 pm

Carr.birds wrote: I will have to sex my 2 SL Edged CHF birds to guide us in phenotype difference between male and female.

Is it not the same for CHF? light brown/beige feather shafts for hens, and dark Grey/Black for sf cocks?

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:46 am

Paul, very interesting birds! The first thing that stands out for me is that the flight feathers and the tail feathers are not both affected, as would be the case for SL edged. At least not one I've ever seen. This effect also seems more pronounced for the father of the mother rather than the father of the father (hope that isn't confusing). I'm not sure if misty would have this effect as I have no experience with misty. There are other possibilities too worth a brainstorming session. Clear flights are a marker of pied types, but it could also be a different type of edged. In other species a non-SL edged exists, and in IRN a rare recessive edged also exists. The first thing to establish from this line is the mode of inheritance.

Tienie, how does your SL edged CHF birds' tails look? Does it show the edging?

Indian Ringneck Vic · Post by **Indian Ringneck Vic** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:17 pm

Hi all
Here is a photo of the father to the edged youngsters this bird along with 4 blue split chf fallow brothers all looked to be typical chf (coloured) only they did'nt have the red eyes or clearhead I had one IRN breeder visit me and he had me catch up these splits to examine them close up as he couldn't understand how these birds have the body colour of a chf when they are split their hue changes slightly at the second year moult. Another interesting feature is the proginator cock is black eyed with a normal iris .The photo attached ideally would have our father bird ( of young ) with a normal blue for reference bird in the same photo however we are currently having heat wave conditions that are not favourable to chasing birds about. The father bird photographed is currently moulting and doesn't have his full tail the photo has been taken in natural light without flash. This father bird (of young) was sired by the proginator cock the grand dam has been lost however she was not related to proginator cock therefore we can move on without her she was a split chf from N Armstrong line I believe. I have 2 x violet blue split chf brothers and sister that were bred the same way as the father (of young) and his 4 brothers, these birds are currently moulting too heavy to do anything with.

The white flight blue chf (father of mother) was sired by the proginator.

Cheers
Paul

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:48 pm

Indian Ringneck Vic wrote:Hi all
Here is a photo of the father to the edged youngsters

I don't see edged in this bird--- do you have an open wing/closer shot of the dam of the four youngsters?

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:02 am

Green sl Dom. Edged

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:22 am

Looks like a cinnamon sl edged to me.

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:27 am

not sure cause the father is blue edged and mom is pied so cant tell if the cock splits for cinnamon,didnt breed any other cinnamon out of him

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:31 am

Any chance for a photo of the pied mum?
Perhaps she is edged and we might be able to pick it up , or not

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:42 am

Here's a blue cinnamon edged/cleartailed hen

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:43 am

the mom is a green pied split blue

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:48 am

So, you're saying that you fairly confident she is not edged as well !?
I have not seen a green edged pied yet, i was hopefull the day has come

don't have any edged cleartail or pied do you?

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:50 am

blue cinnamon edged

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:52 am

have a green edged pied hen, and im sure she's normal pied

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:04 am

the dad of the green edged

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:06 am

update as promised on the sf SL Edged youngster who has completed his first semi moult

I am not sure if he is Cinnamon also, but suspect it- will be test breeding his sire with a Cinn hen for this season-

Here's as he appeared before-
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47 ... b60ab2.jpg

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:11 am

What about a picture of the back of the bird*...

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:19 am

Anthony anth Mc Geer wrote:What about a picture of the back of the bird*...

Here you go

markings
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47 ... c696e3.jpg

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:44 am

mmmm interesting bird

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:11 am

mmmm interesting bird

I'm fairly sure he has Cinnamon- which would explain his overall colour - I just need to wait for this season (if true, sire is split- and will be going with a Cinn hen this season) and the next for the youngster to prove it.

Wildtype is the sire

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:34 am

hey guys I was wondering with SL edged can you only breed DF edged males if you put up a pair of SL edged together

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:54 am

As long as the the cock is sf, you'll get both df and sf cocks- as well as normal and edged hens- if he is df then you'll produce only df cocks, as well as edged hens.

Anthony anth Mc Geer · Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:01 am

Okay cool...cause I just wanted to make sure that you can't breed DF edged Hens....

madas · Post by **madas** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:32 am

Anthony anth Mc Geer wrote:Okay cool...cause I just wanted to make sure that you can't breed DF edged Hens....

You can't breed a SL Edged(df) female because females only have one Z-Chromosome which is relevant for the resulting phenotype. The W-chromsome of a female is atrophied and so not able to affect the phenotype. Therefore you can't breed a female Pallid-Ino too.

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:26 am

Blue df SL Edged cocks of NW -(posted with permission)

cock 1

cock 2

madas · Post by **madas** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:40 am

sheyd wrote:Blue df SL Edged cocks of NW -(posted with permission)

cock 1

cock 2

Sorry but cock1 is not the same mutation (combination) like cock2. Cock1 looks FUSI like and cock2 looks like a SL Edged(df) blue or a very good colored SL Edged(sf).

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:49 am

Sorry but cock1 is not the same mutation (combination) like cock2. Cock1 looks FUSI like and cock2 looks like a SL Edged(df) blue or a very good colored SL Edged(sf).

Good pickup Madas , didn't notice there was 2 diff birds.

Agree, just on Fusi i think = DF Edged Cinnamon or Dilute?/Misty?
I have setup a pair that should test for the second mutation if a rec. mutation is in play like Dilute.

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:02 am

madas wrote:Sorry but cock1 is not the same mutation (combination) like cock2.

Eagle eyes!

Looking at the tails, I'd say the first one is a DF edged male (or a combination) and the second bird a SF edged male.

madas · Post by **madas** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:08 am

Johan S wrote:
madas wrote:Sorry but cock1 is not the same mutation (combination) like cock2.
Eagle eyes!

Looking at the tails, I'd say the first one is a DF edged male (or a combination) and the second bird a SF edged male.

thx.

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:18 pm

Good spotting Johan- even I missed that.

Cock 1 was posted previously on page 3 of this thread.
Will upload another bird in the morning

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:26 pm

TurquoiseBlue sf SL Edged

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:08 pm

sheyd wrote:Good spotting Johan- even I missed that.

Shey, that was all Madas. I missed it too until he pointed out they are different.

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:45 pm

okay, getting confused here..

Madas pointed out that there were two birds -which i obviously knew,- since I posted them (and labeled them cock 1 and cock 2), and you pointed out only one was a df, which is what I missed, when I was sent these last night

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:17 pm

Don't let me confuse you any further, though.

I completely missed the labels.

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:08 am

no worries

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:14 pm

Johan S wrote:
Johan S wrote:Shey, another thing to consider is that the ruby eye of the cinnamon tends to darken. I bet a few/lot? of breeders have been sitting with edged hens and thought they were cinnamon, and vice versa.
I don't particularly like quoting myself...

@Shey, consider again the point above, but I suppose we don't have to limit it to hens. Now have a look at this bird that was recently advertised on an Oz FB page as a cobalt cinnamon cock.

Thoughts?

sheyd wrote:yes- I spotted him right away- he now belongs to my friend Nigel

prob lies with Oz not being up to speed with the rest of the world- they simply don't know what they are- if it's lighter then it's Cinnamon no questions asked

I will ask if I can upload some wing shots-- he is beautiful!

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:17 am

Here is N's bird again

Dark Blue sf SL Edged and Dark Blue Parblue

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:54 pm

hmm not sure on that one Molly.. Yes, I'm interested in what this season brings

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:46 pm

sheyd wrote:hmm not sure on that one Molly.. Yes, I'm interested in what this season brings

That one might just stick...

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:13 am

Johan S wrote:
sheyd wrote:hmm not sure on that one Molly.. Yes, I'm interested in what this season brings
That one might just stick...

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Been playing around with my new, but old camera- didn't realize it took great pics up till now lol always the way..

Here is an updated pic of the op hen who has completed her end of the year moult

and one of her son

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:00 am

InTheAir wrote:The nails are the only pretty bit at present, I'll try for some photos when she looks nice again.

time for an update!

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:55 pm

wing shot

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molossus wrote:
lets see what the breeding results in.

I have paired her to this cock (poss split for Cinnamon) what do you think?

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47 ... 62627f.jpg

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:10 pm

closeup pic of unbleached tail of Cinn Edged hen

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:09 pm

a nice cock bird

Kappa · Post by **Kappa** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:26 am

Hi Shey,
He is a cracking bird. Yours?

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:07 pm

He is, and thanks!

Kappa · Post by **Kappa** » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:23 pm

Hi Shey,

What are your plans for him? I think cobalt, violet or even violet cobalt hens would be good with him.

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:57 am

Kappa, that's a good question. I'd go with something like a cobalt violet cleartail. The edging on this bird is well defined, so I reckon it would be wonderful to breed a bird like him, with a clear head and tail. It'll take some time, though.

Kappa · Post by **Kappa** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:41 pm

Cleartail or even CHF, with the turquoise, very nice.