I will list the 2 pics back in 2010 when young.
Please look carefully and see if there is another mutation in play.
I will update later with a recent pic of this bird.
** You'll get a nice surprise how the hen looks now.
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These pics were posted some months back by John Shannon at the yahoo discussion Group.Ring0Neck wrote:A breeder i know (hopefully can add to this conversation) has this Dom Pied hen.
I will list the 2 pics back in 2010 when young.
Please look carefully and see if there is another mutation in play.
I will update later with a recent pic of this bird.
** You'll get a nice surprise how the hen looks now.![]()
Hi this is john this is a Cock and the Blue 2010 Dom pied hen is his Dom Pied turq blue fathers sistermolossus wrote:I bet it is. probably a opaline er saddleback hen.
In 2010 I bred a blue pied Cock to a Turq blue hen first clutch straight blues and turq blues and one Turq blue dom pied cock 'second clutch the blue dom pied hen and more blues , from two nests two pieds & five straight blue or turq blue.Johan S wrote:Hi John, welcome to the forum!
Sure? Any pic of the tail tip?Ring0Neck wrote:Interesting to note that the young violet green pied does not have any violet in his tail, John was pointing that out... I'd say the pied mutation is responsible for that, or is it?
Will probably see some violet coming through after next couple of moults
thanks for the welcome Johan, shey, Ben and the forum members.John Shannon wrote:In 2010 I bred a blue pied Cock to a Turq blue hen first clutch straight blues and turq blues and one Turq blue dom pied cock 'second clutch the blue dom pied hen and more blues , from two nests two pieds & five straight blue or turq blue.Johan S wrote:Hi John, welcome to the forum!
The turq blue pied Cock in 2012 to a Violet green Hen pos/clearhead produced three dom pieds.
Ben could you add the picture I sent you of the nest mates and of the picture of the mother as Idont know how to add pictures yet.
Going to work now john
More ? than answers I have been told before that my Dominant pieds are from opaline (sex linked), but so far I have not bred any straight opaline hens from the Cocks of my Blue dom pied cock.This year I have two 2010 cocks and two 2011 cocks mated to straight hens to prove or disprove Opaline. Or is it Just Modifier genes with the Dominant pied gene. eg;turq,spangle,edged,the hard to explain saddleback or some hidden recessive influence.John Shannon wrote:thanks for the welcome Johan, shey, Ben and the forum members.John Shannon wrote:In 2010 I bred a blue pied Cock to a Turq blue hen first clutch straight blues and turq blues and one Turq blue dom pied cock 'second clutch the blue dom pied hen and more blues , from two nests two pieds & five straight blue or turq blue.Johan S wrote:Hi John, welcome to the forum!
The turq blue pied Cock in 2012 to a Violet green Hen pos/clearhead produced three dom pieds.
Ben could you add the picture I sent you of the nest mates and of the picture of the mother as I don't know how to add pictures yet.
Going to work now john
Yes she is an aunt and the the young cocks mother is the Violet green posted by ben ,so not opaline.molossus wrote:Hi John welcome to the forum.
So the blue is older than the 'saddleback'. is the young cock of an opaline hen?
btw beautiful birds.
Hello John,John Shannon wrote:Yes she is an aunt and the the young cocks mother is the Violet green posted by ben ,so not opaline.molossus wrote:Hi John welcome to the forum.
So the blue is older than the 'saddleback'. is the young cock of an opaline hen?
btw beautiful birds.
Hi Madasmadas wrote:Hello John,John Shannon wrote:Yes she is an aunt and the the young cocks mother is the Violet green posted by ben ,so not opaline.molossus wrote:Hi John welcome to the forum.
So the blue is older than the 'saddleback'. is the young cock of an opaline hen?
btw beautiful birds.
as asked in the yahoo discussion group. Is there any chance that your 0,1 violetgreen /blue is related to the 0,1 violetgreen /??? which was used in the very first breeding pair which then produced the first so called "saddleback"? If i am not wrong your violetgreen female showed some yellow spots in the "saddle" area. So perhaps she is carrying the modifier gen for the "saddlearea".
Furthermore i think you deal with two distinct modifiers. One for the "saddle" and one which is producing this incredible nice "spangle" pattern (probably opaline).
May i ask you what dom. pied pairs did you setup up for next season to determine the opaline gen? Perhaps you don't need all and waste one season.
thx.
madas
Not easy to do.. That's $4k+ just for a split. not like saying get a turquoise.I realize opaline is scares but it will be nice if you can test the blue dom pied (spangle) hen with an opaline or at least a split opaline cock.
FarzzI have noticed that dom pied is referred to spangle??
Thank you for your opinion, appreciated.I did mention before that the dominant pied are caring the opaline gene however
Tienie, not sure I follow you here. The DF dom. pied budgie is almost completely clear.Carr.birds wrote:The opinion was bases on the fact that the df harlequin is almost a clear bird (white in blue series and yellow in green series). In no other species that I know of will the df dom pied produce a clear bird.
The van Belles had breed one in 2009 or 2010 if i remember correct. But i haven't a pic.Carr.birds wrote: I am curious to see a proper cleartail adm pied.