madas wrote:
Sorry. But she isn't Turquoise grey
Heya, I am always up for being corrected, however I have been breeding IRN mutations since I started into the world of birds. I have been focusing on Turquoise in various mutations, including violet as well as a friends flock that includes cobalts.
It is most certainly not a turquoise violet or turquoise cobalt. It definately has the grey gene.
The turquoise mutation is NOT a perfectly replicated mutation, taking many different visual forms in the amount of colour, and strength of colour, especially in females. Males tend to get roughly the same appearance, however hens get a very mixed appearance, mostly due to the males nature in specific colour change as it ages.
Your picture is of a male IRN, and the mutation varies heavily between the sexes visually. The photo of that male is also a very brightly lit environment, lightening the grey similarly to what it looks like in direct light. Depending on the lighting, the grey can be a deep gunmetal grey, to pale slate grey, have seen this over, and over.
This is a typical turquoise violet cock... now imagine that purpleblue colouring throughout, very clearly, with green hues... the bird posted has definately the grey gene, and shows no true purple/blue... and there are no special variations of 'violet' or 'cobalt'. The shading of the image gives the bird a slightly offgrey colour, however this is lighting quality. There is no chance I could even come remotely close to confusing grey with either violet or cobalt.
The cobalt turquoise is not too dissimilar to the turquoise blue, just a stronger difference between the hues of green and blue.
The grey mutation masks violet and cobalt.... so there is no way to know that those mutations are in the bird without breeding.
You have to remember, turquoise, particularly in hens, varies heavily from one to three samples... often changing in appearance in the same clutch and they continue to change in appearance over the first 5 years of their life on a regular occasion.
The lighting isnt great, but I assure you.. its a turquoise grey. I just cant see where you get the idea its a turquoise violet.. when the bird is obviously not a blue/purple... or even blue... the lighting shows a blue hue to the darker parts of grey... but its a visual grey.
Reference shot: This shot is of a turquoise violet, in the average to low grade quality camera shot, about as unviolet as you can get a violet to appear, and it is still easily taken as having the purple/blue hue throughout the entire areas in question.
The above is a similarly coloured turquoise gene, in the violet mutation. You can see that the lighting in the original pic lends to the misinterpretation at the tail.. but nothing even close to the top of the body, it most certainly has no purple or blue domination next to the green.
As another note: the bird could be split for god knows what... there is no way to tell however without breeding. Being split to violet, cobalt, even ino etc, has no affect on the appearance of the bird. Grey can purely mask violet, cobalt so all we know is that its a turquoise grey... whether its a turquoiseblue grey, turquoiseblue violet grey, or a turquoiseblue cobalt grey is anyones guess until you breed it.
However... violet and cobalt and not overly common mutations in any country.. and a general assumption can be made that its a regular turquoise grey hen.
You may want her to be a violet / cobalt, but unless you can show her with no grey to her at all, not much else to say.