Here are some photos of deeps I'm posting on Martin's behalf.
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parents of the df deep cocks that have the colour variation.
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cheers,
Kappa
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Nope , he's really that dark . I have zero information on the parents unfortunately . This bird was pretty much dumped on someone else when I rescued him. He's shades of green go from that dark dark green to a bright almost lime green near the head. So your guess is I'm sure much better than mine. I would like to figure out what type of bird he is is and more about his flock etc. So any and all help would be great ! Ill take a a new photo of him tonight for you so you can see his wings as of today . I just knew he was special !! =) You just made my day !Mikesringnecks wrote:Hi ErnieisAwsome
It guess it could be camera, computer or lighting but that lovely green chick looks too dark to me to be a simple green bird. What were the parents?Kind regards
Mike
Thank you ! He's pretty special to me ! It's funny I hardly ever see the just regular greens ones anymore !molossus wrote:looking at the overall shades from head to tail...I'd say you have a normal green irn, Ernie...special all the same.
Hi Mike, I have found the underlined above not to be 100% true for split males out of very well marked opaline lines, and I'm fairly sure your bird will qualify too.Mikesringnecks wrote:Hi ErnieisAwsome
Molossus knows what he is talking about and is therefore probably correct looking at the photo above . I only have one green, a rising one year old split opaline but the single opaline gene should not affect the colour. I have tried to attach library photos of him but if it doesn't work you will have to E-mail me direct and I will send them direct to you.
Kind regards
Mike
Hi Mike, no not the dark beak. The heterozygous opaline male often shows the typical opaline features, but not as well as the homozygous bird. So, one can often see a slightly dilution in the region on the back of the bird below where the neck ring will form (which begins to create the typical opaline head/body contrast) , and a slightly diluted tail too.Mikesringnecks wrote:Hi Johan
Is that what the very dark beak is about? I did ask the breeder (Paul COURT) about that and a couple of dark feathers on each shoulder but he couldn't shed any light on it other than to tell me that both parents came from JS.
Kind regards
Mike
Pic 2 is more difficult. I have the advantage of having seen this bird next to a normal cobalt turqblue. The cobalt shade is a touch lighter on the back and coverts, but only a touch. Have a close look at the region where the chest meets the neck ring region.Skyes_crew wrote:Can I join in this one. I want to test myself.
In pic 1 I see a slight lightening if the tail and flights and a slight darkening of the head. Light feet?
Pic 2 is a bit more challenging, and the only thing I can pick out is the scalloping effect across the back.
Any chance it could be Homoz. Opaline Misty/Slaty or khaki?Johan S wrote:... Tell me what you see, and I'll tell you what I see.
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If you hadn't pointed it out, I would have never seen it. Slight separation of dark and light with a white band. It's a beautiful bird. Yours?Johan S wrote:Pic 2 is more difficult. I have the advantage of having seen this bird next to a normal cobalt turqblue. The cobalt shade is a touch lighter on the back and coverts, but only a touch. Have a close look at the region where the chest meets the neck ring region.Skyes_crew wrote:Can I join in this one. I want to test myself.
In pic 1 I see a slight lightening if the tail and flights and a slight darkening of the head. Light feet?
Pic 2 is a bit more challenging, and the only thing I can pick out is the scalloping effect across the back.
Johan, On the birds you posted, the first area I looked was the neck ring line to body colour difference. I also see a strong colour neckring line even on yearling cocks, which looks to be present in both birds you posted. The other is a slight dilation of body colour but with a flourecence that they show. I have no cobalt but have violet turq that show a very noticeable strong flourecence and lime highlights to the turq, In visual HT 2 year cocks there is no doubt they are opaline carriers right from their first moult imo.Johan S wrote:Benjamin, not the easiest challenge you could set. It is not simple to capture with a camera. These are the two best examples I have. Tell me what you see, and I'll tell you what I see.
Hi Ben, I'm 99% sure those factors don't come into play. The haziness is simply because I didn't set the camera settings properly. The bird was bred from a turqblue opaline male to a normal hen. No misty involved with him. My first reaction to this bird was much like what you say: all the markers are there, but very poorly defined. I didn't know at the time what the parentage were, so I made a statement that the bird is a very poor opaline. Of course I ended up with my foot in my mouth when the owner told me it isn't an opaline, but a split. The bird went from worst opaline to best split in the blink of an eye.Ring0Neck wrote:Any chance it could be Homoz. Opaline Misty/Slaty or khaki?
Looks like a visual opaline but all markers reduced to only 30% or less visual manifestation
I don't believe you. You simply weren't sufficiently motivated.Skyes_crew wrote:If you hadn't pointed it out, I would have never seen it. Slight separation of dark and light with a white band. It's a beautiful bird. Yours?
Benjamin, you are looking at all the right things in my opinion. You've noticed that difference in the neck ring line compared to a similar bird not carrying opaline, and the slight dilution, which are the things standing out for me too. Just one correction, the bottom bird is only 3 months old, busy with his first moult. The same characteristics, bar the light black feathers, are present the day they fledge. The top bird you have right, what you see there is the 15 month (second summer) moult.bennjamin wrote:Johan, On the birds you posted, the first area I looked was the neck ring line to body colour difference. I also see a strong colour neckring line even on yearling cocks, which looks to be present in both birds you posted. The other is a slight dilation of body colour but with a flourecence that they show. I have no cobalt but have violet turq that show a very noticeable strong flourecence and lime highlights to the turq, In visual HT 2 year cocks there is no doubt they are opaline carriers right from their first moult imo.
Thats cool . Ernie is getting bigger and hes the cutest little green bird ever !!Mikesringnecks wrote:Hi ErnieisAwsome
Molossus knows what he is talking about and is therefore probably correct looking at the photo above . I only have one green, a rising one year old split opaline but the single opaline gene should not affect the colour. I have tried to attach library photos of him but if it doesn't work you will have to E-mail me direct and I will send them direct to you.
Kind regards
Mike
Gorgeous bird ! I love that deep deep purple . I never see those here in NY . Alot of turquoise & lutino .Kappa wrote:Hi everyone,
I have been reading some old threads and come across some which discussed a lighter strain of violet, which looks more like a cobalt. I also found some photos of an American violet in sf and df, and what stood out for me was how similar they were to sf and df deep. This got me thinking, and the questions that I asked myself was, could the deep actually be a violet variant? Could it be our version of a lighter strain of violet also?
I suppose what needs to be established is, genetically, is the deep more closely related to violet or cobalt. That same statement could also be put forward to the American violet or any other lighter strain of violet which looks cobalt. Thoughts?
Any photos of a sf American violet would be greatly appreciated, some have been deleted from the old threads.
df American violet.