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And if you think about it, a lot of the first mutations have come from breeding related birds (mother to son and father to daughter) I find that appauling! You can't really apply the norms of human morality on avian breeding It's not incest. It's called line-breeding and is an acceptable practice a...

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Try posting specific questions regarding Alexandrine breeding. Chances are what applies to IRNs also applies to Alexandrines. I don't really know of any specific web forum dedicated to Alexandrines. There are however numerous Yahoo discussion groups that specialize in the Psittacula family of birds.

bonjoram

You are treading on thin ice my friend! Majority of the members here (me included) doesn't think it is right to cross-breed the IRN with an Alexandrine. For as long as humans have kept animals and raised crops, hybridizing of species has been used as a tool to improve the species' genetics to man's ...

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Somehow this question slipped between the cracks. Better late than never I guess Ok, when you mate Creamino (Turquoiseblue-Ino) x Silver (Grey Cinnamon); you get: Males: 25% TURQUOISEGREY/Ino/Cinnamon 25% TURQUOISE/Ino/Cinnamon 25% GREY/Ino/Cinnamon 25% BLUE/Ino/Cinnamon Hens: 25% ALBINO masking Gre...

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Am I right people? I hope that is an invitation to speak out one's thoughts without fear of repercussions. Just my two cents... I believe we just made a mountain out of an anthill. This is rather unfortunate... Until now I am left scratching my head as to why it came to this. I've re-read several t...

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I believe Stephane disagreed maturely to Jeremy and Jeremy likewise responded positively.

Oh well

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TECHNICALLY I dont believe that it IS a single and double factor, but it acts that way. Cos when you put it into the genetics calculator there is the Turq x Blue = Blue Turq There is NO option for single or double factor for Turquoise. However to Program a BlueTurq into the calculator you need to s...

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All things considered, apologies to Stephane.

Thanks for dedicating some time to educate the neophytes in the jabberwocky of ringneck genetics. May you have more jaw-dropping posts to come. This goes out to Jeremy as well. Congratulations by the way in your new position.

bonjoram

very interesting.... i'm thinking about going back to budgie breeding. did it awhile back as well.

bonjoram

Jeremy wrote:LOL thanks for trying to protect the members of the board Mik, but Stephane wasn't directing her comment towards me at all.

Stephane is a dude. Now you can also plead Lost In Translation

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Although I was the first to jump the gun in defense of Jeremy, I believe now, in retrospect, that Tintin_Montreal didn't mean to disrespect Jeremy and his comment was not geared towards him. Here's what Tintin said: Hey bonjoram, Jeremy & Every Birdie, sorry to say this bonjoram but you need not...

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kyria wrote:My head is spinning ... you guys are amazing, glad you know your stuff, glad I am leaving you to it.. lol

LoL Kyria.

I can't even spell Indian Ringneck a few months ago.

bonjoram

Mutant specimens displaying 1 copy of 1 allele of a Locus and a copy of another allele of the same Locus are called Hetero-allemorph specimens. So a Turquoiseblue would be a hetero-allelemorph and a Turquoise would be a homo-allelemorph? SF & DF denominations ONLY applies to mutations which ALW...

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First of all, there are more diplomatic ways to disagree with another board member's posts. Jeremy is really a good guy. They inherit a mutated or not Z from either parent and this single Z can only ever countain a maximum of 1 Loci. Meaning that they cannot carry more than 1 mutated allele per Loci...

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SF & DF denominations ONLY applies to mutations which ALWAYS inherits in a Dominant manner (either completely aka Complete_Dominance &/or Incompletely aka Incomplete-Dominance)

By the way, Deon Smith also refers to SF and DF Turquoise birds.

http://www.sunbird1.co.za/new_page_2.htm

bonjoram

For Jeremy and Tintin,

I just want to confirm that Creamino is a product of a genetic crossover (within the male sperm during meiosis) of a bird containing the Turquoise and Lutino genes (ie. Turquoiseblue/Lutino) and that the initial Creamino offspring only happens on hens.

Thanks.

bonjoram

Thanks for posting Tintin and welcome to the board. It's great to have someone of your knowledge to be posting here. Ok. It is for the above reason that I said on an earlier post that "DF" and "SF" on Turquoise birds is only relevant when mating with Blue series birds. Turquoise is CD within its loc...

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My understanding of a Primary Mutation is it cannot be created by selective breeding in one's aviary. The mutation happens as a "freak" of nature such as Lutino, Dark Green, Cleartails, etc. The Turquoise or Turquoiseblue mutation therefore falls under this category, although it possesses two differ...

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Various IRN mutations have been called differently in varying places, by diverse experts, even in distinct generations. Here's some that I can think of. Feel free to add or correct me. Turquoise = Turquoiseblue Pastelblue = Turquoise Skyblue = Blue Cinnamon Pastel Skyblue = Cinnamon Turquoise Silver...

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Turquoise is an allele of the Blue mutation. It is recessive but becomes dominant when combined with Blue. I agree on this one. But not on this.. Therefore, you cannot get SF or DF mutants. Turquoise is a primary mutation, TurquoiseBlue is a secondary mutation Try mating two Turquoiseblues. 25% of ...

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my bird is beautiful sky blue all over but his wings are kind of like turquoise. just asking 'cause i took the color poll and noticed a lot of turquoise on there. Blue IRNs have two blue genes (one on each chromosome pair). Turquoise Single-Factor would have one blue gene and one turquoise gene. Tu...

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In the US, the single-factored Turquoiseblues are commonly referred to as just plain Turquoise. Most American breeders that I've spoken to never refer them as Turquoiseblue. Homozygotic Turquoise birds are called Double-Factor Turquoise (DF). Elsewhere, I guess a Turquoise bird would be a double-fac...

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Assuming the parents are what the breeder told you they are with no other splits, then it is split to Blue and can either be male or female.

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Hi and welcome. the male or the female doesn't feed them So do the babies still get fed by the other parent? Do they get fed at all or do they starve to death? The chicks usually get by with just one parent feeding them (usually the hen). But like humans, sometimes there are bad mothers. Some mother...

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Nice looking birds! That's almost definitely a Cinnamon based on tail coloration and brownish flights, also since it has light colored nails and feet. It has a lighter bleached color though compared to my Cinnamons and yours contain more yellowish plummage on the chest. Did this bird already go thro...

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Looking good.

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"Lacewings" are the same as Pallids. I've posted several pictures of the Pallids. They're one of my personal favorites. For the lack of a better term, they named them lacewings in the past.

I'm a very big fan of Green IRNs myself. There are several splendid Green pets on this site!

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Welcome to the party! Now let's see the IRNs ...

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Great looking birds! Thanks for posting.

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Even with the normal Green, breeding a Violet would give you 50% Violet Greens which are already quite valuable. They fetch over $1000 a piece. However, that male is a Green Fallow Cinnamon/Blue. Sometimes called Green Edge-Dilution Cinnamon/Blue in Bastiaan's book. So with that pairing, 50% of the ...

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Sweden? I wish I lived there too!

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I just noticed the other bird in the adjacent cage also has a white tail.

bonjoram

There were actually cleartails in the same aviary but I didn't even notice them until he pointed them out to me that they were cleartails. One of the birds in the adjacent cages in the picture is actually a YH-YT. At first glance, it looked to me like a highly-contrasted Pallid. I like the cobalts, ...

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Can you post some more on the blues to?? I love the blues!! Ok. Here are more of the Blue twins. They've grown quite a bit in the past week. They are actually flying now. http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j68/bonjoram/IMG_1292.jpg http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j68/bonjoram/IMG_1280.jpg Group sh...

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Here are several pictures of a Violet hen that I took at my buddy's aviary a couple of weeks ago. The pictures don't do this bird justice as this bird is really stunning in flesh. When sunlight hits the plummage, it shows an attractive lustrous sheen. http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j68/bonjoram/M...

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Ok partner, take your time. Everyone who has been following your progress is probably as anxious as I am. Way to go!

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I see neither Jade nor Emerald.

bonjoram

I've seen violets advertised in the US from $1000 to $3000. Just a couple years ago, they were advertising them for $10,000. The pricing depends on age, sex, splits, etc.

Supply and demand. Anything is only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

bonjoram

i have a rinjgneck OF 1 YEAR and he is great. talks loads and is really friendly. have been thinking about getting an african grey. if both cages are in the same room, the living room could this affect the birds? i have heard that it could stop them talking. if anyone has an evidence or valuable ad...

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Nice! If my Blue/Ino male has any albino babies, I'll definitely keep the first-born just for the looks.

bonjoram

Welcome! But you're not really an official member until you have posted some pics

Just kidding. I currently have two blue babies as well.

bonjoram

It does seem that simple but you must remember, in order to breed Cinnamon-Pallid you have to have a crossover. The crossover for the Cinnamon and Pallid genes is 3%. I'd be interested to know how they came up with 3%. This color breeding thing has become a passion for me. I haven't had a hobby so ...

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Hi Jayesh, Among other reasons, nest boxes are removed during the off-season primarily to clean them after the breeding season, prevent critters (insects and rodents) from habitating in them, and to provide more space for the birds (if the nest boxes are inside the flight cages). Of course you can k...

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Hi Murray4405, Welcome to the group! Do you happen to have pictures of the Silver hen? A Silver hen is actually a Grey Cinnamon and I really like the Cinnamon series birds for their soft pastel colors. Anyway, here's the result for that pairing. Blue Cock x Silver Hen Cocks: 50% GREY split Cinnamon ...

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Here's a site showing a good representation of the Opaline series ...

http://home.wanadoo.nl/psittaculaworld/ ... paline.htm

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I think I actually have 25% chance of getting Silver Pallid hens and 25% Skyblue Pallid hens if I bred Silver/Pallid Cock or Grey Pallid/Cinnamon Cock with a Blue hen. Slightly less chance when using a Grey/Cinnamon/Pallid at 24.25% With my Cinnamon/Blue hen ... cut that another half on the probabil...

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I keep looking at your babies and thinking how I want another. they are soo cute! I am totally and completely smitten with that Cinny Turq...think you could post some mroe pics of him/her??? Dani and Prinny Hi Dani! Here's a couple more pics of Cinny. If you want a new baby, you know what your alte...

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Last summer I brought Salvador a green IRN home with me. Hi Dawn, You have one heck of a beautiful bird. I've seen Sal's pictures on your other posts. Quite stunning. I hope you realize though that she is not an IRN but rather an Alexandrine or an Alexandrine hybrid. The lower red mandible, larger ...

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Worked with the Punnett Squares and seems like I can pull Silver and Skyblue Pallids from Grey Pallid/Cinnamon and Silver/Pallid cocks as well.

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It's amazing how prices have come down. My Grey Green Pallid hen apparently cost $2000 when my friend bought it as a juvenile 6 years ago. I snagged if from him for the bargain price of $180. Another breeder recently offered me $1000 a pop for Hillerman Pieds and Cobalt chicks. I declined since I do...

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