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Do any of you know lovebird mutation genetics? On a board I'm a mod of, we had Jeremy helping us figure them out, and now we've gotten QUITE stuck on 4 babies. Usually its pretty straightforward, and theres 5 of us that have gone out TRYING to get it down, but... my gosh these 4 bubs have us stuck.

Hey Swan,

What's your lovebird genetics question?

IRNs and ALBs have almost identical modes of inheritance for most of the common mutations.

Among ALBS, the most pronounced genetic inheritance difference between the PeachFaced (Roseicollis) and the White Eye-Ring group (Personata and Fischeri) is that Lutino is Sex-Linked on the PF but Autosomal Recessive on the ER group. To complicate things, the Ino gene on the ERs come with three more different alleles (DEC, Pastel, & Bronze_Fallow) and they all look very similar.

how bout I send you there, and you help!! ygMail

for everyone else; what it amounts to is that we know the parents, we know the combinations the parents can throw.. but we can't figure out for the life of us what they are!


sounds easy, right? HA!

Aqua Turquoise Pied x Cobalt Turquoise SF Violet:
This is what he said they could produce:
=Turquoise
=Turquoise Pied
=Cobalt Turquoise
=Cobalt Turquoise Pied
=Turquoise SF Violet
=Turquoise SF Violet Pied
=Cobalt Turquoise SF Violet
=Cobalt Turquoise SF Violet Pied
=Aqua Turquoise
=Aqua Turquoise Pied
=Cobalt Aqua Turquoise
=Cobalt Aqua Turquoise Pied
=Aqua Turquoise SF Violet
=Aqua Turquoise SF Violet Pied
=Cobalt Aqua Turquoise SF Violet
=Cobalt Aqua Turquoise SF Violet Pied

two yellow babies, and two green babies later...

Ahh... PeachFaced then as there are no current parBlue mutations in the EyeRings.

Yellow offsprings (if with red eyes) means the father is also split Ino (perhaps even Pallid). The Turquoise (WhiteFace Blue) mutation is also capable of producing excessive yellow pigmentations especially in the flight coverts but should be accompanied with dark eyes.

Anyway, pics of the parents and the babies would help.

I would like to join the other forum but it's hard to track various memberships as of late. Besides myself, I'm sure other forum members here would love to see pics of other species especially intriguing ones such as these.

Yes Please!

yussir.. these are not my pictures, just so ya'll know. credit goes to lucky13forme from the birdloversonline forum.. there, did my crediting.

Black eyes.
bubs; hopefully this will work

edit; first time didn't work... lets try again
mom and bub

dad and bub


bubs




she also has pictures of the feet, if needed. I left them full size, sooo I don't know how big this will be, sorry in advance

at this current point in time, we are unsure if the male is split to anything...

so guess away!

oh my god they are gorgeous...

Oh ... My .. Gosh !! how damn cute thanks for sharing them with us

yes, but.. colors? ugh.. and they aren't mine.. wish they were though!!!

you will have to wait for Jay and Jim .. sorry I cant help

I can figure out the genetics behind the mutations but I'm not real familiar with what the lovebird mutations actually look like. About all the help I can offer is to note that all the birds must have at least one turquoise gene and that none of them look pied so you can reduce the question to determining yes/no for the aqua (this results in a mutation some people call seagreen when combined with turquoise so that's what you'd be looking at here), dark (cobalt) and violet genes for each of them.

Jim

we know which two are violet.. theres two of them.. it shows up in the rump. One factor a piece. The problem is is that with heavy piedness, they could turn up yellow, and without something making them yellow, they'd all be the blue/green colors the other two are.

we're figuring theres recessive pied in them.. so, going by that (mostly yellow birds)
But, the split is ONLY if the male is also split to pallid, which is a question in and of itself.. these are the current guesses.

Male - Normal Green/Turquiose Cobalt/Pallid (which I beleive you have in your clutch)
Male Cobalt SF Violet/Turquiose/Pallid (which I beleive you also have in your clutch)
Female Normal Green/Turquiose (this could be the normal green looking one as well but you won't know from male or female to you get them DNA'd)
Female Pied/Turquiose (this is the ones with the lighter rump)
Female Cobalt SF Violet Pied/Turquiose (this is the one with the darker rump.

I'm a little lost now. Is the current thinking now that the father is split for pallid? And are you also thinking that the father is recessive rather than dominant pied?

Jim

honestly.. NO CLUE

with their colors, its about the only things WE can think of!

OK. I've slept off the jetlag and am thinking more clearly now. The idea that the male is split for ino or pallid makes sense given the way the lighter two look. It seems probable as well (but doesn't guarantee) that the father is recessive pied rather than dominant pied as none of the babies appear pied but would be all be split for recessive pied.

Also, if the father is split ino or pallid than the two light colored chicks are female.

Jim

see? confusing.

oh well, right? they ARE cuties!

I want lovebirds. *Stomps foot* They sure are unique cuties!

then what are you waiting for?

I've always been amazed that something that small can bite that hard...

Swan, I'm not sure what else I can tell you about those birds. My admittedly uneducated guess is that the two light ones are both pallid and that the one with the darker tail is violet and that the green ones are both dark aqua turquoise and the darker tailed one is again violet.

Jim

okay, well...

Jeremy came back. 12 pages on the other forum and he answers it on the last one Parblue DF Violet Pallid, Cobalt Parblue, Cobalt DF Violet Parblue, Parblue SF Violet Pallid

DF Violet? When did the father become violet? I give up. I'm sticking to IRN's.