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color mutations questions

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:30 am
by Ty
Hi I have a blue male and lutino female. What are the color mutations of the babies and is there a chance to get a lutino male?

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:04 am
by Jim
If you assume that your birds are not split for anything (that they don't have any recessive traits that are not being visually expressed) the offspring will be as follows:

Males - 100% green split for blue and ino
Females - 100% green split for blue

Do you know anything about either bird's parents? If your male's mother were albino, for example, there is a possibility that your pair would produce lutino males.

Jim

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:07 am
by Jay
Hello Ty,

Blue male x Lutino hen will give you:
=50% Green/Blue/Lutino males
=50% Green/Blue hens

"/" denotes "split" which means the bird carries the gene but is not visual for it.

As you can see from the breeding results, most IRNs these days carry split genes and most-likely your parent birds carry them as well. As such, you may be able to breed Lutino males if your father bird is split to Lutino.

Blue/Lutino male x Lutino hen
=25% Green/Blue/Lutino males
=50% Lutino/Blue males and hens
=25% Green/Blue hens

The only way to find out for sure is to test breed them for a couple of seasons or so...

Hope that helps.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:09 am
by Jay
Oops sorry Jim. We were posting at roughly the same time.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:26 am
by Jim
DDP,

No problem. Just send me a violet cleartail male and we'll call it even. :)

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:30 am
by Jay
With a cash-laden CPA customer like you, I'll feel remorseless in increasing my meager Cleartail profit margins :lol:

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:39 am
by Jim
Cash-laden? I wish. I've got four sons and my birds only eat Harrison's so I'm broke. :)

Poor Ty. He just wanted an answer to his genetics question and now we've hijacked it...

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:49 am
by Jay
Apologies to Ty who can always re-hijack the thread back :D


Hey Ty,

Assuming your hen is also split to Blue or Turquoise, you can also produce Albino and Creamino cocks and hens. Lots of potential, which makes IRN color breeding quite exciting. Most of the time you'll never know what you're gonna get.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:54 pm
by Ty
I'm very greatfull for both your knowledge. I hope that this pair will produce some awsome babies. Any of you two know how to post pic on this site?

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:30 pm
by Jim
I'm afraid I can't help you with the picture.

Again, if you know anything about either of your pair's parents we can at least do some educated guessing as to whether or not you'll end up with anything other than visually green babies.

Jim

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:26 pm
by kyria
Yay ! I can help on this forum for a change

http://indianringneck.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2773

try reading through this link to learn how to post an image.

There are alot of other free picture hosting sites, eg. http://www.dropshots.com. Just google them if photobucket or dropshots aren't what you want, then follow the instructions in the thread about how to post the hosted picture to the forum.

P.S. I have a blue male and lutino female. Last season they produced all visually green, pretty sure two males and a female (one baby expired in the nest so not sure about that one).

I also do not know the parent birds backgrounds, and the hen is on eggs this season. So we shall see if there is any sign of nice genes this time.

I never though I would breed these birds, but after rescuing a lutino from just being released when she was unwanted, my tame blue male fell head over heals and nature pushed its way.

Good Luck with it all Ty. You are in very good hands with these two. Thanks for all the assistance you bring to the forum Jay and Jim.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:11 pm
by Jim
In good hands with Jay at least...I was just lucky enough to have a good biology professor in college.

Kyria - where in Australia do you live? I've been to Brisbane and Sydney for work a few times and the sight of a flock of cockatoos perching on a telephone wire never ceases to amaze me.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:58 pm
by kyria
South Gippsland Victoria 2 hours from Melbourne.

It is amazing here, at my mums, there are flocks of lorikeets that come to eat out of your hands, we sit out back at the barbeque table and two sulphurs come to visit, Fat Head (as we call one of them) will come down onto the table and eat with us.

Here we have so much bird life. Ocean Gulls, Nankeen Kestrels, humming birds in my herb garden, galahs, Cockatoo, all kinds of Rosella grace our yards, sparrow, wattle birds, bell birds, black birds that scratch around your feet while you garden, Magpies that wait for you to hand feed them worms, and when the Gang Gangs fly over head, what a beautiful sight it is.

Truly blessed here. Oh and I forgot to mention the cheeky butcher birds that love to steel anything beautiful for the nest, to impress their females (jewellery, silver foil anything sparkly and beautiful). The kookaburra that laugh at you, always seemingly at the right time.

Crows and raven, very intelligent birds. There is a place not far called King Parrot creek, beatiful and full of bird life, and the sound of the currawong, what a beautiful early morning call they have. just listen to this. Click the link below then close your eyes and picture a perfect, cool, early morning, sun just rising and creatures stirring, dew drop covered ferny forest surroundings ;

http://www.birdsinbackyards.net/images/ ... culina.mp3

Our owls, willy wag tails flitting around .. the list goes on and on.

If you want to hear more of our birds and their calls (like our kookaburra) check out this site.

http://www.birdsinbackyards.net/feature ... -songs.cfm

Enjoy !

Australia Rocks !

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:42 pm
by Jim
Do you get any of the black cockatoos aside from the Gang-Gangs?

And on a point vaguely related to the original post...Three green babies from a blue male and a lutino female isn't anywhere near enough babies to definitively conclude that you don't have some recessive gene that could express itself visually. If, for example, your blue male was split for ino you would still get all visually green birds in a clutch of three 12.5% of the time.

Jim

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:02 pm
by Ty
Here they are. Let me know if this works.
Image

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:50 pm
by Jay
Try resizing your pictures to 640x480. That size seem to work better on message boards.

Nice birds by the way. How old is the hen?

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:26 am
by kyria
aww look .. they are beautiful .. it could be my mickey and kai. :)