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Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:33 pm**

Here is 2 pics of a bird I bought recently.

First up a pic of the back

And lastly a pic of the front to make your guess a little easier

Thanks
Lushen

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:55 pm**

Dom Edged Turq blue

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:58 pm**

I would say sfViolet TurquoiseBlue SL Edged

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:17 pm**

all of these weird terms you breeders have for the IRN mutations.... how do you present them to laymen customers?...

I see a green IRN with a blue tail... pretty interesting really.
If a seller told me they had a sfViolet TurquoiseBlue SL Edged Indian Ringneck I would go cross eyed at them

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:05 am**

sheyd wrote:I would say sfViolet TurquoiseBlue SL Edged

I agree with Sheyd, but the parblue component does not look like the typical patched parblues (Turquoise or Indigo) since the wing patch is not present, and the distribution of psittacins in the body is not homogeneous but patched. Could this be an effect of SL Dom Edge on psittacin distribution? ... or a different parblue? ... or an effect of Emerald? (There were some pics in the past showing this kind of patched psittacin in the body of young Emeralds)

Regards

Recio

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:03 am**

Ok before I tell you what I bought this bird as let me upload one more pic and see what you think, don't worry about the bird on the perch as that is another mystery, here is the pic of the bird in question on the wire next to a Blue Turquoise CHWT hen

Thanks
Lushen

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:48 am**

Hi All

IMO the bird looks like a DF Turquoise Violet dom edge

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:48 am**

Taliep wrote:Hi All

IMO the bird looks like a DF Turquoise Violet dom edge

Yeah. Or simple SL Edged Dark Turq(df).

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:03 am**

Hi Madas,

That's what I got the bird as, but never questioned if the turquoise was SF or DF.

Haven't seen the parents as the bird was obtained from a fellow breeder who didn't breed this bird, but the details on the ring tell me who it belongs to, so now I have to try and get some contact details of the breeder and phone him to find out. I also had my suspicions of it being violet when I brought it home and put it into my cage. I was wanting to pair it to a cobalt partner, but thinking now a better pairing will be a plain blue partner

Thanks
Lushen

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:23 am**

Hi Lushen

pairing it to a cobalt will give you peace of mind whether its cobalt or not, should you breed a mauve turq then all questions are answered.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:48 am**

Lushen1600 wrote:Hi Madas,

That's what I got the bird as, but never questioned if the turquoise was SF or DF.

Haven't seen the parents as the bird was obtained from a fellow breeder who didn't breed this bird, but the details on the ring tell me who it belongs to, so now I have to try and get some contact details of the breeder and phone him to find out. I also had my suspicions of it being violet when I brought it home and put it into my cage. I was wanting to pair it to a cobalt partner, but thinking now a better pairing will be a plain blue partner

Thanks
Lushen

The head of the bird looks like a "Schoeman".

madas

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:08 am**

Definitely not a "Schoemann" its from a local breeder here in Wartburg in Pietermaritzburg, managed to get his contact details and phoned him, the parents are as follows

Cobalt Cock x Blue Turquoise Dominant Edge Hen

Thanks
Lushen

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:50 am**

madas wrote:
Taliep wrote:Hi All

IMO the bird looks like a DF Turquoise Violet dom edge
Yeah. Or simple SL Edged Dark Turq(df).

I'm too late for the puzzle, but I would have gone with Madas. Looks like cobalt turq (possibly DF) SL edged male.

PS: Welcome to the forum, Taliep.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:48 pm**

Lushen1600 wrote:Definitely not a "Schoemann" its from a local breeder here in Wartburg in Pietermaritzburg, managed to get his contact details and phoned him, the parents are as follows

Cobalt Cock x Blue Turquoise Dominant Edge Hen

Thanks
Lushen

Cannot be a DF Turq with those parents.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:41 pm**

Yup its a SF Turq

Thanks
Lushen

Posted: **Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:52 pm**

Donovan wrote:all of these weird terms you breeders have for the IRN mutations.... how do you present them to laymen customers?...

I see a green IRN with a blue tail... pretty interesting really.
If a seller told me they had a sfViolet TurquoiseBlue SL Edged Indian Ringneck I would go cross eyed at them

ROFL. You can ask 10 different breeders and often get 10 different answers for labels on bird coloration.
What I do know...

sf means Single factor.
df means double factor.
DF means dark factor.
(Different web sites decide which DF gets capitalized and which one does not)
sl means sex linked. Usually carried on the 'X' chromosome. In birds the females carry XY (Human females are XX) and males carry XX (Human males carry XY)

Male: "ZZ" Chromosomes. Also referred to "XX" to identify with human chromosome letters, for learning.
Female: "ZW" Chromosomes. Also refereed to as "XY" to identify with human, for learning

W (Y) Chromosome: Only carried by female birds. Typically does not carry color mutations.

Z (X) Chromosome: Carried by both male and females. Carries color mutations.

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:15 am**

ROFL. You can ask 10 different breeders and often get 10 different answers for labels on bird coloration.

Guess it depends if the breeder is knowledgable ;)

Darkfactor is simply known as Dark, and on the gencalc outcomes as 'D'

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:40 am**

The grey turq edged is one of the most beautiful birds when edged is fully expressed (DF edged male, SF edged hen). Unfortunately I don't have other pics, this one was moulting.

Add emerald to that (with/without turq; still deciding) and you'd have a glimpse into heaven...

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:08 pm**

wow! that is stunning!

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:28 am**

I agree, 10/10 , it looks excelent as if it had emerald in it.

Here is a "What am I" of a higher difficulty. who wants a go?
The bird circled

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:50 am**

Ring0Neck wrote:Here is a "What am I" of a higher difficulty. who wants a go?
The bird circled

Come now Ben, at least give us a decent picture first. Only thing I can tell is that we are limited to pink feet mutations.

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:51 am**

higher difficulty !

sorry

i can give hints later if needed

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:03 am**

Johan S wrote:
Ring0Neck wrote:Here is a "What am I" of a higher difficulty. who wants a go?
The bird circled
Come now Ben, at least give us a decent picture first. Only thing I can tell is that we are limited to pink feet mutations.

And a translucent iris. So is it a CHF? perhaps combined with rec. pied.

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:07 am**

madas wrote:
Johan S wrote:
Ring0Neck wrote:Here is a "What am I" of a higher difficulty. who wants a go?
The bird circled
Come now Ben, at least give us a decent picture first. Only thing I can tell is that we are limited to pink feet mutations.
And a translucent iris. So is it a CHF? perhaps combined with rec. pied.

perhaps combined with ...?

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:58 pm**

Looking on my phone which is not the best for colours, my guess is either a GreyGreen CHF or Cinnamon GreyGreen CHF

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:14 pm**

What am I.... ?????

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:26 pm**

Ring0Neck wrote:

I agree, 10/10 , it looks excelent as if it had emerald in it.

Here is a "What am I" of a higher difficulty. who wants a go?
The bird circled

SF Violet Green CHF..

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:51 pm**

That is a young CHF hen indeed.

In the first pic there's another CHF on the wire but a lighter color more what i would expect CHFs to look like.

The breeder that bred this bird has put Pieds into CHFs but no CHF Pieds were bred to his surprise.
My questions is Why not? Perhaps he was not lucky for the last few years, perhaps he did breed them possibly even Opaline CHFs however pieds and opalines in young CHFs might not be visible enough to ID the mutations?! no one has bred them yet so why not?
It could be the same for CT Pieds, i think they look like a normal CT only better colored.

Posted: **Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:55 am**

Ring0Neck wrote:The breeder that bred this bird has put Pieds into CHFs but no CHF Pieds were bred to his surprise.
My questions is Why not?

Depends on the pairs he made up and the amount of offspring. In SA CHF adm pieds exist. It looks like a very faded/diluted adm pied with the typical CHF eye. Personally, I think the dominant pieds are better suited for such a combination.

Posted: **Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:29 pm**

Ring0Neck wrote:

That is a young CHF hen indeed.

In the first pic there's another CHF on the wire but a lighter color more what i would expect CHFs to look like.

The breeder that bred this bird has put Pieds into CHFs but no CHF Pieds were bred to his surprise.
My questions is Why not? Perhaps he was not lucky for the last few years, perhaps he did breed them possibly even Opaline CHFs however pieds and opalines in young CHFs might not be visible enough to ID the mutations?! no one has bred them yet so why not?
It could be the same for CT Pieds, i think they look like a normal CT only better colour

It is a CHF hen you say Ben, what colour is it? Im sure it is what I previously posted. Maybe the two similar birds, one being a bit lighter coloured is a cock bird SF Violet Green CHF. I have noticed in SF Violet blue CHF there is a difference in colour depth with the sexes as youngsters.

Posted: **Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:57 pm**

All birds in the pic are young hens.

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