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I don't have a Violet EmeraldBlue so I can't tell if this is a Deep also. This is a Deep EmeraldBlue

Images too big, I have to reduce my image size and then save in photobucket? Photobucket has no 'save for web' click.

you can use URL instead of Image
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this will give us a link to the picture

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Not as nice as pasted in the post.

Willy's pictures.

Deep emeraldblue


Deep? violet emeraldblue


PS: they seem fine on my side with the suggested posting method.

Hi Willy,

What is the distinguishing features to look for to determine if a bird is carrying Emerald in Violetblues & Cobalts?

I have posted in another thread on "What am I" a young bird that is carrying Emerald to which you guessed correctly and I have 2 other siblings which one is definately a straight Emerald but there is another cobalt which dosn't look like a normal cobalt, it a lot brighter in appearance.

I will try and get photo and post for identification, might be reading more into it than I think.

Regards Glenn

I noticed a bit of creamy colour on the left leg confirming psittacin but no patchiness anywhere on the back which eliminated a Turquoise or Indigo gene possibility. The overall colour is similar to EmeraldBlue when combined with Violet or Dark.

I also meant to point out how much nicer Deep looks on an Emerald than Violet or Dark does. You 'in depth' thinkers may use this to surmise what is different about Deep from Violet and Dark and if the psittacin sometimes apparent in Deep birds also has something to do with it.



and another breeder's Violet EmeraldBlue. Does anyone have one of a Dark EmeraldBlue?



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I cut and pasted the addresses from the previous post. Still not loaded in preview.

Sorry about the posts, I am trying to work it out.





Voila!! Something about the way us engineer's think I guess.

Hi Willie,

Just have to say....your birds are gorgeous colours!!

For me though, all this deep, dark, violet emeraldblue, deep emeraldblue......still all gobbledegook to me! I'll keep reading these kinds of posts though, cos I reckon it will l have to sink in sooner or later

ok lets play guess this bird, it has Deep and Emerald in ...... any guesses ?

1-0 Violet Deep Green /blue X 0-1 Violet DK Deep Blue or

1-0 Violet DK Deep Green /blue X 0-1 Violet DK Deep Blue

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the cock died in a big storm we had

Hi Ben,

Because the "Violet DK Deep Blue" Cock produced the year before the bird in the upper left corner.

Am i correct in saying that the in saying that the bird in the upper left corner in an Emerald ?





thoughts ?

Regards,

Peter

Hey Ben,

Love the system don't get me wrong, its helped me solve a few riddles over the last few weeks.

But back to the topic at hand, my baby

OK you know this picture





now my baby again

Hi Molossus,

The only place i am seeing anything is in the tail



Regards,

Peter

prodigy wrote:Hi Molossus,

The only place i am seeing anything is in the tail

That to me shows that the system might not be working. Notice the 'milky' yellow in the neck region and on the primary flights. For me, those are the regions where one can pick up the difference between emerald and turquoise. And the only reason I can point out those regions, is because I have seen UV pictures and only after that did it become clear to me. The ultimate test remains a UV inspection.

I am picking up a Emerald type color on the young female, on the head, chest and wings ?

molossus wrote:Johan,
let me know what you see in the two young alex. one is normal....I will tell you that much....

The one seems darker than the other. Are those the parents or fosters?

What I have noticed is the Emerald shows up as a VERY bright Purple/Pink color, the turquoise showing up as dull purple

Emerald




Violet turq and DF Turq Violet




DK Green Violet Cinnamon Dominant Edge




left to right - Violet Deep blue, DK Green Violet, Cobalt Violet Turq




Violet Turq




Cobalt Turq

the first one is a female ...... and she is defiantly a keeper !

Thanks for playing Peter. Pix removed, back to serious stuff.

Peter, back to your Emerald bird.
I think the only way to be sure with or without the hue/sat system is to get an Emerald bird amonst your ones in question to have them in the same photo, as Willy says: you need a 100% point of reference, a 100% Emerald from Emerald known bloodline.
Take a picture of all birds in same shot then it will be easier to identify.

Hue/Sat system i made up is only as accurate as the photos (and we know pictures ..) I use same camera and settings and results become more accurate.

However, i don't think anyone has en Emerald in the mutations you do or close, making harder to compare apples with apples.

Also, your bird is not blue based and that will make it even harder to prove or disprove as being an Emerald or not.
It simply means, you are ahead with your breeding program and not much reference exists.

Your beaut. bird needs to be paired up to a blue bird & confirm through the offspring.

Cheers
BeN

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Hi Ben,

Thanks Mick!

Just an observation, its strange that under the filters that we only see Emerald and what appears to be Deep.

I was expecting to see the usual purple/pink with orange tinges, instead i am seeing purple/pink with the red associated with deeps.

thought?

Regards,

Peter

Now that's an emerald! Thanks for the pictures, Ben. A real beauty.

There is a SA breeder I know of that has one. Don't have permission to post the picture, though. There is a rather large difference under UV between the SF and DF birds.

Here is that baby a few week down the line, very interesting how he is coloring up !

Emerald Juvenile

http://parakeet.me/irn/f/emerald.jpg

Ben, what you think of this (and i am not talking about the kids weird right toe )

I learned something new this year. Last year I bred the Violet looking bird 2nd from the left at the top. It was much darker than a Violet but not as dark as its Deep Violet mother to its right so did not know what it was. The father is the Emerald to its left.
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6 months later it started showing patches of green. Recio will remember this bird.
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Hi Willy,

As always ... very interesting observations ...
Before going further ... do you know which were your emerald male parents?

Regards

Recio

Hi Molossus,

The increase in psittacin with aging till adulthood in Alex Aqua ... does it show an even distribution or a patched distribution like in Willy's IRN?

Regards

Recio

Recio wrote:Before going further ... do you know which were your emerald male parents?

Are you thinking that one of the parents might have been an indigo, and that the cock bird carries both the emerald and the indigo mutation?

However, if this result is from a 'pure' emerald blue, it does add weight to the parblue theory (if the psittacin appearance is age dependent).

Molossus, that will depend entirely on whether the emerald mutation changes the expression of psittacins over time, or whether it is fairly constant from fledglings to adulthood (i.e. independent on hormones). The pictures that Willy has uploaded is the first evidence I've seen (on the internet, I don't own the mutation) that suggests that there is actually an increase over time. This is a piece of the puzzle that has been reported differently in the past. This is probably why Recio wants confirmation of the parentage of the father/cock to be sure to exclude indigo.

PS: It's not my camera, but I'll ask if I can bring it along.

molossus wrote:Willy hi,
I noticed this same process follows in the aqua alexandrine. Although the difference of blue to aqua is clear when babies feather up there is a gradual color change over the coming seasons with the green aspect being increased with each moult up until birds reach adulthood. I suppose this is linked to hormonal changes from fleging to adulthood.
Willy back to your pics. In the first pic you have : one young on the far right - is this the deep?
one young at the bottom - is this the deep emerald?
regards.

Yes

Ring0Neck wrote:

Willy did know it was an Emerald, just not a violet emerald, as i understand it.
(all birds in Willy's pic are emerald - deep emerald at bottom left) right Willy?

They are not all Emerald

Recio wrote:Hi Willy,

As always ... very interesting observations ...
Before going further ... do you know which were your emerald male parents?

Regards

Recio

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Recio wrote:Hi Molossus,

The increase in psittacin with aging till adulthood in Alex Aqua ... does it show an even distribution or a patched distribution like in Willy's IRN?

Regards

Recio

I have young patched EmeraldBlues. The patchyness is on the wing flash not the back and upper wings where you see it on T or I birds