PIED pictures - pls post some pics

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Hi guys, please, those of you who have pieds or photos of pied please post them here.

I just found out my one female is green pied, and want to know what colours you get in pied,
and what i should breed her with to get pretty results.

Thanks

[Recio]

Hi;

Is she a dominant pied or a recessive pied?


Recio

[SCB -SA]

Hi she is a recessive pied. Don't know her parents colours unfortunately.

[Recio]

Hi;

Pied can combine with almost any mutation ... but the important point is that it is a recessive pied. So if you want the offspring to display piedness you should look for a pied boyfriend for her (or at least split pied).

Recio

[SCB -SA]

thanks recio, i am aware of that. they r very expensive here but i am looking.

what colour pied would be best with her?

Visually she is a yellow green (limey green and pale yellow)

[Recio]

Hi,

The overall colour depends on the degree of piedness.
Could you post a pic for a better advice?

Recio

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hi have posted pics before, and you couldnt even decide what colour she was, and kept telling me it was a vitmain deficiency (not you in particular recio, other members) the pics are under a dif post, asking if she was green/ split something or lacewing. will have a look what the link is now and post it.

[dog_glenn123]

Hey well done on confirming its a Pied.
? How did you find out it was a Pied.

I would pair it to a Blue violet rec. pied.

1.0 blue violet(sf) rec.pied
x 0.1 green rec.pied
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 green rec.pied /blue
50.0% 1.0 green violet(sf) rec.pied /blue
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 green rec.pied /blue
50.0% 0.1 green violet(sf) rec.pied /blue

And i would hope if i where you that the hen is split to blue.

1.0 blue violet(sf) rec.pied
x 0.1 green rec.pied /blue
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 blue rec.pied
25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) rec.pied
25.0% 1.0 green rec.pied /blue
25.0% 1.0 green violet(sf) rec.pied /blue
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 blue rec.pied
25.0% 0.1 blue violet(sf) rec.pied
25.0% 0.1 green rec.pied /blue
25.0% 0.1 green violet(sf) rec.pied /blue

If you google pied indian ringnecks you should find some sites that people have.
Most people only put there violets pieds on there.

Ta Glenn

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hi have tried google and doesnt bring up many pics?
after taking her to a few breeders here who didnt know what she was, i found a guy who breeds pied, as says she is type of recessive green pied.

I have only heard of blue pied over here, and only seen blue and green pied, what sort of babies would a blue pied male male with my girl? will try post some pics just now.

thanks all for your input,

[dog_glenn123]

Hi if you pair her to a blue rec. pied as long as your hen is not split then you will get
green rec. pieds split to blue.

If your hen is already split to blue then you will get both green and blue rec. pieds.

I am trying to find you a web site still but i cant seem to find it. (annoying)

If you do get a partner for her you will prove once and for all what she is.

Try and find the person you bought the other one from cause im guessing you got it cheap and they had no idea what they had.

Ta Glenn

[dog_glenn123]

This is a link.

These ones are dominent.
http://www.piedringnecksusa.com/


I think this is rec. pied.
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... d=66624610

I think the first one are dom. and bottom ones are rec.
http://www.sunbird1.co.za/new_page_3.htm

Go to the bottom right and you can choose the pages there are a few pieds here.
http://www.springriverbirds.com/birds/t ... hp?album=2

And a couple more.
http://www.mcw-indianringnecks.com.au/AlbumEmerald.html

As you can see most people display there more expensive ones.

Hope it helps.

Ta Glenn

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hi yeah, i got her from a pet store when she was only just opening her pin feathers, said the breeder just wanted to get rid of all his babies, so i got lucky, coz all the others were older and feathers were open (different clutches) and they were all blue or lutino babies....

She was my 19th birthday present and has been the sweetest thing!

Wouldnt change her for the world, her colouring is just a bonus!!!

[madas]

These ones are dominent.
http://www.piedringnecksusa.com/

Wrong. These birds are the origin of the american rec. pied breeding strain.

As far as i know dom. pieds are only available in australia and in some countrys here in europe.

I think this is rec. pied.
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... d=66624610

Wrong too.
This is a dom. pied violet aka harlequin violet.

I think the first one are dom. and bottom ones are rec.
http://www.sunbird1.co.za/new_page_3.htm

All rec. pied.

Go to the bottom right and you can choose the pages there are a few pieds here.
http://www.springriverbirds.com/birds/t ... hp?album=2

All rec. pied.

And a couple more.
http://www.mcw-indianringnecks.com.au/AlbumEmerald.html

All dom. pied.

Greetings.

madas

[Recio]

Hi Madas;

I have never seen dom pied "in the flesh". I know that the males display a ring (contrary to recessif pieds also called antidimorphic pieds or ADM pieds, with many subtypes) and depending where I read I can find that they have a more coloured head without piedness (and then they are called harlequin) or that the head is also pied. Everybody agree that in IRN there is only one type of dominant pied, with males displayin a ring, but when reading I never can devine if it is the harlequin or the non harlequin one (with ou without piedness in the head). I think confusion come from the naming in budgies, but not sure. Could you highlight us?

Thanks

Recio

[madas]

Hi Madas;

I have never seen dom pied "in the flesh". I know that the males display a ring (contrary to recessif pieds also called antidimorphic pieds or ADM pieds, with many subtypes) and depending where I read I can find that they have a more coloured head without piedness (and then they are called harlequin) or that the head is also pied. Everybody agree that in IRN there is only one type of dominant pied, with males displayin a ring, but when reading I never can devine if it is the harlequin or the non harlequin one (with ou without piedness in the head). I think confusion come from the naming in budgies, but not sure. Could you highlight us?

Thanks

Recio

Hi Recio,

i can't say whether the so called "dom. pied" aka "harlequin" is a true pied mutation. But it is was named as it is.
Nevertheless i think there are at least two dominant pied type in the irn. the so called "dom. pied" aka "harlequin" and another one. For more Info see bastiaan second book. It has some pictures of pied birds which look different to the harlequin, which show a neckring and have pied patterns at head, flights and tail.

Here are two pictures of birds which look similar to the birds in bastiaans book.





Both birds are pied and show a neckring (or at least parts of a neckring)

greetings madas.

[Recio]

Thank you Madas;

What is a streaking feature in your pic's birds is that this kind of piedness seems to affect whole feathers, I mean there are green and yellow feathers, and the yellow ones seems to be packed (there are many pied feathers together). When looking at recessif pieds, we could say that piedness acts into every single feather; each single feather being made of patches with and without melanin, and these patches distributed in a regular pattern so that when looking at all the feathers contituting a single unit (ex: flying feathers) we can see a regular pattern among them.

Best regards

Recio

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so u sayin g a recessive pied male will not display a ring?

I am confused now?

[Recio]

Yes;

Look here: http://home.wanadoo.nl/psittaculaworld/ ... aWorld.htm

Recio

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In that case I guess my she could be a he as it is 2 years old and doesn't display a neck ring, so it could be either, I assumed female purely on lack of a ring, and it doesn't display either of the typical male or female characteristics as my others do, such as the males doing their display dance, or the female crouching and clucking whilst pinning her eyes.

Any advice or opinions there?

[mikeb]

have it DNA tested or have your avian vet sex it

[dog_glenn123]

Hi Madas you wrote. (And i was only guessing not sure myself how to visually tell)

Wrong. These birds are the origin of the american rec. pied breeding strain.

As far as i know dom. pieds are only available in australia and in some countrys here in europe.

Its funny that as far as i read (i will find it) but America do have dom. pied but they are a completly different gene pool and aren't the same as all other dom pieds around the world.

And the Dom. Pied (Harliquins) do behave the same as true dom. Pieds so not sure as to what you mean by not a true mutation (can you explain)

Ta Glenn
P.S. you made me learn something new Madas and Recio didnt know rec. pied males dont get a ring can you explain why? (Melanin?)

[madas]

Hi Madas you wrote. (And i was only guessing not sure myself how to visually tell)

Wrong. These birds are the origin of the american rec. pied breeding strain.

As far as i know dom. pieds are only available in australia and in some countrys here in europe.

Its funny that as far as i read (i will find it) but America do have dom. pied but they are a completly different gene pool and aren't the same as all other dom pieds around the world.

And the Dom. Pied (Harliquins) do behave the same as true dom. Pieds so not sure as to what you mean by not a true mutation (can you explain)

Ta Glenn
P.S. you made me learn something new Madas and Recio didnt know rec. pied males dont get a ring can you explain why? (Melanin?)

Hi Glenn,

this article could help you.

http://www.sunbird1.co.za/new_page_8.htm

if you cant see the text. please try to strg+a for selecting the hole text.

greetings.

[dog_glenn123]

Hi Madas,

I just read the article (haven't had much time to sit and read it).

WOW WOW WOW.

I have a thought on why the hilliman Piedness deminishes after the mult at 15 months.
Just a thought.

Its possible that the inbreeding for the hilliman stopped earlier than the salan pieds.
In other words they started to introduce external gene pool sooner to get other colours in the pied range.

Its abvious that the salan pieds where kept to there own family gene pool for along time hence the hold of the level of piedness.


I know yourself and Recio will have plenty to say about this.

Ta Glenn

And do you have a doco on how the dom. pied started.

[Recio]

Hi Glenn;

Salan pieds are thought to be more stable than Hillerman's which loose a part of piedness at adulthood. Nevertheless there are not enough pics of adult Salan pieds allowing to certificate it (if you go to her web site you will only find young birds) and when she is asked to show good pics of adult birds ... she doesn't. Salan pieds are not available in the market so no other breeder can state about piedness behaviour. Everything about this mutation is secret and her owner is very .... special (I do not know if this is the right word to describe her). Something sure is that both pied mutations (Salan and Hillerman) are the same mutation (with different modifyer genes car coming from different inbreeding pools), or different alleles of the same mutation (locus) since interbreeding of both mutations allows to obtain pied chicks at F1.

I bet that Madas knows more than me about this subject.

Recio

[Lucas]

what is the link to there website's? de web of Salan and Hillerman?

[madas]

what is the link to there website's? de web of Salan and Hillerman?

http://www.piedringnecksusa.com/ for Salan pieds. But dont expect to much from it. It's only one site with some pictures. But she was promising an update soon.

For hillermann pieds i don't have and don't know a link.

greetings.

madas

[dog_glenn123]

Hi Recio,

I think your right judging by the article i read (and reading between the lines) it seems a few people think she is caught up on herself, so special is correct.

I just thought it made for interesting reading and the person that told her it was the start of piedness is a bloody geniouse.

But i think with in breeding you will always through mutations. like rabbits they start to through whites and blacks very quikly (not many generations).

Answer this for me, is the first mutation of green (wild) an albino?

My thinking is that it would have been albino (hen) then her back to her father possibly producing an either blue or lutino or both off spring and so on!

Ta Glenn so many questions as i understand this properly and start to gain my own opinions.

[Recio]

Hi Glenn;

Albino (white) is not a primary mutation in IRN but the combination of blue and ino mutations. Thus it is unlikely that the first mutation to appear in IRN was an albino.

Albino is a primary mutation in living beings displaying only melanin as pigment. Since IRN also display psittacins, the lutino IRN is the equivalent of the primary albino mutation in rabits and other mammals. Similar for canaries although they own carotenoids instead of psittacins.

Recio

[dog_glenn123]

Hi Recio thats interesting in Aus in all types of animals the first mutation is in the way of visible colour is albino, crocs, kangaroo's, emu's, kookabara's (bird), snakes, spiders, frogs, dogs (not that there native) but dingo's which are.

I just thought it mite be the same.

Ta Glenn

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hi all please have a look on photobucket and tell me what you think of my pied girl and turq boy

http://www.photobucket.com/ringybreeder

[ellieelectrons]

Sorry to post off topic but your birds are stunning! Just gorgeous!

Ellie.

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Thanks man, I must get some pics up of my other, have a albino female, rainbow male, green male and 2 blue females!
Plus a lutino with no beak that i adopted...

They are all stunning birds!

Will try post a vid of my turq male talking as well....

[SCB -SA]

hey hey hey

more pics of my girl see if they give better views of her colouring

www.photobucket.com/ringybreeder2

thanks!!!