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I must say when I opened the envelope, that I was surprised to see the 'dark purple' one in there- thought- uh- they really are all similar then- until I saw the 'bright blue' looking one underneath... lol

I think I placed those feathers in the right order- your darkest was I 'think' denser in colouring- but very close to the one next to it on the right.

I do hope you receive the feathers- I sent you the better ones. I haven't had anything lost in the mail before- but there's always a first.

Your bird's a beauty.

sheyd wrote:I haven't had anything lost in the mail before- but there's always a first.

From that statement alone I can tell you have never mailed something to SA.

Great that you got them!

Looking forward to seeing how they compare against your dfViolets & sfDark sfViolets as well as any others.

Johan S wrote:

sheyd wrote:
From that statement alone I can tell you have never mailed something to SA.

you're right

something different..

Wildtype vs SL Edged Cinnamon green

full morning sun:


shade:

variation between two reg Blues

full sun


shade

thanks for posting them Ben It is interesting, that while they 'look' very much the same- they photograph differently.

I have just sat and read through every response here and WOW, I am learning so much! Thank you, I'm not concerned with breeding at all but this is just facinating

1.0 SL Edged vs 1.0 Wildtype(centre)

1.0Wildtype, 0.1Wildtype, 1.0 SL Edged



(nest siblings-middle and right, sire left)

differences between 2 Wildtypes (father and daughter)

Feathers from Ben

photographed in the shade and was overcast





From the bottom up- two written in Blue are known-

Blue(one of mine)
Deep?
Deep?
sf American Violet
Cobalt?
Cobalt?
Cobalt?
sfViolet, sfDeep?
dfViolet?
dfViolet?
sfViolet, sfDeep?
dfViolet, sfDark (one of mine)
dfViolet, sfDark + sfDeep?

How'd I go Ben....?

yes, noticed the violet- I already looked at that I was thinking it was perhaps a Violet Blue Ino.
also noticed that on the other edge it had a pinkish quality



wow- so much variance- the Violet Greens are only sf? they look so much darker than the sf American Violet feather you gave- hmm

Not doubting you... I just didn't consider that it might have been from your Pallid- that is all.

sheyd wrote:From the bottom up- two written in Blue are known-

Blue(one of mine)
Deep?
Deep?
sf American Violet
Cobalt?

Shey/Ben, SA breeders probably won't agree with that order. Here our American violets are quite a bit darker than cobalt and very much in line with the green SF (US) violet feathers. NT violet is just a shade lighter than cobalt and very easily confused with cobalt, but that isn't the case for US violet.

I'm still curious to know what happened in PR's collection after that article that is now almost a decade old. How time flies!

PS: Great stuff, Ben. Hope that bird brings you lots of joy. I'll also upload some interesting comparative photos in a couple of weeks time when my birds are through their moult.

Ring0Neck wrote:
I have just found a few more feathers and of the Violet SL Edged mature male, I thought you might want to have it.

Sure would.. not sure how the bird would like to be stuffed in an envelope and sent through the mail though...

Johan S wrote:I'll also upload some interesting comparative photos in a couple of weeks time when my birds are through their moult.

Great stuff!

Hi Shey
I have had a DF Violet hen paired to a Violet Cobalt/cinnamon cock for some years trying to get a DF Violet Cobalt and a range of Violet Cobalt cinnamons.
I think i got most of the cinnamons over time but I have found multiple structural gene combos in cinnamon impossible to separate visually. Strangely, I have never got a DF Violet Cobalt and I think that bird you posted a photo of earlier in the thread is probably the elusive DF Violet Cobalt. It looks mauver than any of the many i bred over the years, all of which were DF Violet or Violet cobalt.
Kind regards
Mike

Hi Mike - Judging from the feathers Ben sent me and the tail feather I added from one of your birds (in pic above)- I've concluded that they are dfViolet or sfViolet sfDark when looking at the sfViolet Green feather next to the one. Breeding will prove either way though. I now see how difficult it is to determine exactly what a double or triple structural mutation bird can be!

this is him not long after you sent him- he's almost finished his moult now- I find him most attractive- whatever he may be.

This year we will try for the first time to breed a DF violet DF dark from two DF violet cobalts. That will be the last in the 'series' still outstanding, except for mauve violet, in which I have never had much interest.

Already looking forward to the next season, and it is still so looooong away. Hopefully our northern hemisphere friends will soon start reporting a good season, rather than the single chicks here and there we are hearing about at this stage (still early for them, though). And I hope it is better than last year for them.

Johan S wrote:This year we will try for the first time to breed a DF violet DF dark from two DF violet cobalts. That will be the last in the 'series' still outstanding, except for mauve violet, in which I have never had much interest.

Already looking forward to the next season, and it is still so looooong away. Hopefully our northern hemisphere friends will soon start reporting a good season, rather than the single chicks here and there we are hearing about at this stage (still early for them, though). And I hope it is better than last year for them.

So far no eggs until now.

Johan S wrote:This year we will try for the first time to breed a DF violet DF dark from two DF violet cobalts.

Holding thumbs for you

Madas- good luck with your season!

sheyd wrote:

Johan S wrote:This year we will try for the first time to breed a DF violet DF dark from two DF violet cobalts.

Holding thumbs for you

Madas- good luck with your season!

Thx. Normally one month to go before laying eggs starts. But the females are very nest active.

Thanks Shey!

Madas, what's the weather like this winter? Is it as cold as last year?

Johan S wrote:Thanks Shey!

Madas, what's the weather like this winter? Is it as cold as last year?

Until last weekend we had temperatures aorung 5-10°C but now is getting colder down to -10°C. So same sh*t as last year.
Lets see how it develops.

Holding thumbs for you guys!

This is what i call nice

flash again

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/P1249162AL.jpg

Feathers from 2 unrelated 2013 SF Grey
obviously the 2 are vastly different in color

funny thing is, no breeder ever seriously asks why the 2 colors are so diff. and will just pass both as sf grey.






1 more pic:
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360.jpg
same pic as above just more lighting
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360L.jpg

could perhaps one be a df Grey (do you know)? otherwise, it's probably just the variance (related to unknown modifiers ) we see across the board with all mutations.

sheyd wrote:could perhaps one be a df Grey (do you know)? otherwise, it's probably just the variance (related to unknown modifiers ) we see across the board with all mutations.

No DF i bred it from a my avatar hen.
That's "generalising" and we all do it.
like a Doc. saying to a patient: "you have cancer coz of smoking" (patient never smoked)

Ring0Neck wrote:Feathers from 2 unrelated 2013 SF Grey
obviously the 2 are vastly different in color

funny thing is, no breeder ever seriously asks why the 2 colors are so diff. and will just pass both as sf grey.






1 more pic:
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360.jpg
same pic as above just more lighting
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360L.jpg

Perhaps the right one is a "deep" grey.

Also, maybe one aviary has more sun than the other? But you are right Ben, I often walk straight past grey birds, just looking long enough to establish if it is grey or mauve.

thread revival

what a difference a good camera makes:

Molossus,

The young grey is young still changing its pheotype, now it has an outburst of parblue showing mainly on the saddle area.
that alone would darken the tail feather.

Ring0Neck wrote:Molossus,

The young grey is young still changing its pheotype, now it has an outburst of parblue showing mainly on the saddle area.
that alone would darken the tail feather.

I think you've just answered your own question

Shey

Pretty much

Turq. should darken the tail, i wonder if that's something we can use before turquoise is visible in some feathering chicks to tell if normal or turquoise!?

Ringo- did you get any other Greys out of the same clutch?

ps.. the longest tail feather is from the dam of your dark Grey tail feather in my last pic

all parblues though

Were they of varying shades?

Don't recall, if i find some old pics when i had them all, i'll post them.

weird but nice !

I title this pic "Alien Extraction"