dark, grey, slaty and khaki on green series

[Recio]

Last year somebody I found in the net gave me an IRN female and a lutino male, both 8 years old, that had never reproduced before, as he told me. I did not know if it was a girl or a boy problem, so I paired them to different partners. I thought she was a grey-green and I coupled her to a blue cin male, thinking that she was split blue, as most of the grey green. From this pair I got 4 eggs: one unfertilized egg, one chick death after eclosion, one cinamon female darker than a normal cinnamon and a little male that I supossed grey but which has a bluish color on his body and grey-black wings. How could I make the difference for the mother in green series or for the chick in the blue series among grey, dark, slaty and khaki? At present I think it is the slaty mutation, but not sure.
For the little history it was a boy problem.
... and before you ask me for pic, sorry but right now I do not have any one of this baby.

[Jay]

Last year somebody I found in the net gave me an IRN female and a lutino male, both 8 years old, that had never reproduced before, as he told me. I did not know if it was a girl or a boy problem, so I paired them to different partners. I thought she was a grey-green and I coupled her to a blue cin male, thinking that she was split blue, as most of the grey green. From this pair I got 4 eggs: one unfertilized egg, one chick death after eclosion, one cinamon female darker than a normal cinnamon and a little male that I supossed grey but which has a bluish color on his body and grey-black wings. How could I make the difference for the mother in green series or for the chick in the blue series among grey, dark, slaty and khaki? At present I think it is the slaty mutation, but not sure.
For the little history it was a boy problem.
... and before you ask me for pic, sorry but right now I do not have any one of this baby.

You knew that was coming... yes, pictures would be nice to have... both mother and Blue offspring.

[Recio]

Finally I could take the pictures and with the flash light there is not any more doubt: the chick is definitely grey and the mother grey-green as it was my first "feeling". Here is the pic of the whole family:

http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv149/Recio_photos/
http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv14 ... =slideshow

In fact the photo allows to see the red eyes of the dad (blue cin) which otherwise are not evident.

I would like to know how to do to post pics directly.

[CalamariBaby]

here is your pic.
go to share on the pic tabs in photobucket, then click the tab get links, then copy and past the link under "IMG for bulletin boards & forums"



and whalla!

[Recio]

Thank you CalamariBaby

I am doing great progress in modern technology: today I have taken a digital pic for the first time (yes, I am not so young ...), I have been able to pass it to the computer, to post it in photobucket and, finally, you give me the key to put it directly in the blog. Yes, huge progress...

Let's come back to our birds:
You can see the baby on Calamari post.
Here are the mother (grey-green), the father (blue cin) and the chick with his sister (grey-green-cin). I will not delete the link on my previous post because there is a lost of quality when the pic is directly posted, and details are better appreciated throuh the link.

[julie]

the pics are way too big, it throws the whole posts out of whack and makes it hard to read.

[CalamariBaby]

You can also resize them in the same area on photo bucket. click edit and go from there. Sorry to be off topic everyone but sometimes just a few tips can be helpful

[Recio]

Thank you Calamari, I will do it next time.

Coming back to the first question: how to know if a dark-green IRN is carrying the dark, the grey, the slaty or the khaki mutation?

In the blue series is not that difficult:
Dark will give you cobalt (in SF) or mauve (in DF)
Grey will display a grey color in both SF and DF
Slaty will give a bluish colour between grey and blue
Khaki looks quite similar to blue-cin, but with grey feet and nails (not sure at 100%...)

But if we just have a dark-green IRN and we do not know his parents ni his offspring, what should we look for to make the difference. Many times I have seen grey-greens which were sold as if they were dark-greens (more expensive) and no one was really sure of its pattern.

Let's begin with differences between grey-green and dark-green

Dark-green: incomplete dominant, so the DF is darker (olive), tail dark blue green, ring black and dark rose, wings extremities dark green.

Grey-green: dominant, so DF is the same colour; tail dark grey (almost black), ring black and rose, wings extermities dark grey.

Any help for corrections and further information concerning khaki and slaty will be wellcome.

[Ring0Neck]

I know it's an old thread but i believe somehow related to my Question.
BTW Recio, was your hen just a greygreen hen? or khaki as you suspected?

I'm looking at this young chick and wonder...is it a grey-green? does it have dark factor or d df? is it a grey-green violet?

Parents:
Cock: sold by breeder to me as: Grey masking violet/clearheaded fallow
Hen: green violet/clearheaded fallow

This is the offspring feathering up at 1 month old
I know it;s too early to tell as tail/flight feathers will most likely tell us of the true color of this bird but curious what you think by judging by the color alone what it'll be.
It looks exactly the same as Deon's Olive violet in this thread:
http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=15223
(i wish i had such a bird)

Links to pictures of the bird in question:

[Ring0Neck]

Hi Molossus, Thanks
I tend to think the same.
i was only thinking, how would i eliminate the thought that the bird could carry grey also!?


Last year the pair bred:
2 x green violets (sold young)
2 x blue violets (1 DF and 1 SF) i also did not exclude the possibility of DF being violet cobolt
Since grey masks violet/cobolt i was trying to figure out if cock is violet or/also perhaps cobolt?
Breeder (Neville A.) is no longer amongst us to check his records.

[Ring0Neck]

This is the sibling from the same nest. A grey "buttercup" poss masking violet
i too hope on a second clutch and perhaps i could get a DF violet or violet green in clearheaded fallow

[Ring0Neck]

second clutch on it's way - hen laid the first egg today - this is gonna be good
and perhaps i could get a DF violet or df violet green in clearheaded fallow even a hen would be intresting
this nest should also confirm if the cock is in fact DF Violet,
so far all non masked birds were violet out of 2 nests

The pic below are the 2 violets from last year, same parents. 1 Df and 1 Sf Violet

[madas]

Any pics of the parents (tail of father)???

madas

[willowisp71]

Wow! Love the colour of the grey from the first lot of eggs. Not sure if I missed it in the above posts, but what were the genders of the 2 from that hatching? Such pretty colours!

[willowisp71]

Apologies! I just re-read and saw that the grey was a male! lol!

[Ring0Neck]

Madas, Pics below of the Cock (father of young)
- Pics taken with Cannon 1100 dslr / evening...
paired with Violet Green hen/buttercup (currently on eggs)

1 pic showing + more links not too slow the page too much..

willowisp71 - they young grey clearheaded fallow's sex is unknown - dna sexing will be done soon


http://parakeet.me/irn/grey3.jpg

http://parakeet.me/irn/greyf1.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/grey2.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/grey1.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/greyf2.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/greyf3.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/greyNbcup.jpg

[Ring0Neck]

6 weeks old
updated pictures of the df violet green
and pics of clearheaded fallow grey




http://parakeet.me/irn/22septgreya12.jpg

http://parakeet.me/irn/22sept12.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/22septa12.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/22septgreyb12.jpg