A question for jeremey!!

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:37 pm

hello im very curious about the prices of you sun conures and lutino indian ringnecks.... also do you ship them to other states? i want another birdie but not for about 6 months to 1yr but i like to do my planning! thank u

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:17 pm

My Sun Conures are still a little bit too young to breed at the moment but they should start breeding in about 8 months or so, so i should be expecting some babies from them around June onwards...
I don't breed Lutino Ringnecks :?:

At the moment i do not freight birds but i will start doing it next year.

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:43 am

thats fantastic cause june next year would be great to get a sun conure and expesically if you freight one over here for me hehe im in perth! how much would you charge 4 one just as an esitmate? thank u :lol:

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:50 am

The prices keep rising and falling so i can only give you a rough estimate. At the moment the Sun Conures are about $600, by June next year the price may go up or down, who knows :?:

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:09 am

WHOA! They are ALOT cheaper in the US.

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:19 pm

ohhhh

i didnt know they were that much! hehe thats ok i might be rich next year!

i could get an ekkie from a breeder i know for $500!

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:22 pm

really

$500 for an Ekkie sounds a bit too cheap, is it a reputable breeder? The Ekkies are rising a fair bit, some are up to $1000 each :shock:

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:04 am

yeah, they get so many buys and more people are going to him for ekkies cuz he is so cheap, there all healthy, hand reared and feed. but a MASSIVE waiting list that why i got my baby i didnt want to wait around 6 months for my baby so ringneck it was! hehe :lol:

plus it wsnt retail he was a private breeder so they are a bit cheaper than bird retailers

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:17 pm

Sun Conures here are around $500 hand raised but I think you can get them cheaper if they arent hand raised.

Lutino Ringnecks in South Australia you can get.. hrm wha'd I pay for mine.. $50 maybe? My friend got a hand raised one from the pet store for $80 almost two years ago. It would be hard to find one hand raised, most breeders that hand raise dont bother with lutinos anymore.

Would be easier to find hand raised blue because of the way they are bred, most people that breed pastel blue end up with either pastel blue or blue.
I was actually after a baby lutino recently but I missed the boat as it were, I'm going for a creamino instead. They are around $300 ish. It really depends on who you get them from and if they have any. Prices fluctuate alot for the higher end birds.

This is just my opinion/experience if i'm wrong let me know.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:12 pm

$300 for a Creamino sounds a bit cheap as well, in QLD they are around the $600 mark. A hand raised Lutino would go for around $100-$150

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:40 pm

I know some really nice breeders >.<

I was back in toowoomba for a visit and I went into a pet store and they were selling hand raised IRNS for $300.. Funny thing is one was BLUE omg WAY expensive the other one was SKY BLUE well that was an ok price for a sky blue even without being hand raised, but a blue.. omg. I got mine for $40

Dont Buy from pet stores !!! Always buy from reputable breeders. The breeders I go to are happy to show me their aviaries, I can call them any time and ask for help, they have good prices.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:52 am

I paid $300 for a Skyblue 18 months ago, now they are only worth $150....not even that :shock:

I never buy from Pet Shops, the birds are always unhealthy or way overpriced.

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:05 pm

I can get ekkies on three handfeeds a day for 500. Fully weaned they cost more, lol, depending on subspecies.

Pet stores around here are WAY overpriced.

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:29 pm

My goodness, you can get a sun conure anywhere here, all day long for around a hundred, cheaper than Irn's but even those are cheap. Even at major chains like petco and petsmart. Probably because we live in Florida and there are

A: alot of breeders around here, not many very good, however. Yup, I said it. :twisted:

Or

B: Tampa is a major US port in which stuff comes into the country from around the world. I never realized what a port city this was until moving here. We disquse it so well it isnt really noticed between the fancy shops and cruise liners floating at dock.

Upside is, when we take cruises we dont have to worry about airfare to the port city, we are already here haha. So, we always spring for a limo.

Downside is, when family cruises, they lay up on us or anytime they want a FREE Florida vacation. However, I fail to remember any of them trying to help me get here or stay here, yet, they are always glad to come see me now that I live in Florida... doesnt take a wise ol' owl to hit that nail on the head.

If any of my family happens upon this, stay home please... we dont like you.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:59 pm

African Greys are $4000 and B&G Macaws ar $6000+
We have very touch impot/export laws in Australia, no birds get in the country, no birds leave the country. All the exotics are so dear here, we have to wait for all the big name breeders to breed asmany birds as they can so the prices come down a bit.
Black Headed Caiques $18000 a pair

Post by **Datsun and Family** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:11 pm

Not true, for a price you can import birds into Oz but it is very expensive and only from limited countries.

In NZ the prices for handreared birds range as follows:

A Green IRN here costs between $85 (privately bred and reared) to $300 I saw recently in a pet shop a green male over a year handreared but afraid of hands for $595!!!!

A Blue can be up to $600

Ekkies are around$1200-$1800

Cockatoos start from $1000

Lorrikeets can fetch $450

Greys are around $5000

Macaws start at $9500

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:27 am

Here grays are around 600.00 and macaws 1400.00 cockatoos 800.00 cockatiels 80.00 green ringnecks 150.00 TOPS! And so forth. These prices are even on the high side coming from hand fed breeders.

It has to have to do with being in Florida... many breeders because of the climate.

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:16 am

Dont forget about the currency difference

Mazziemom · Post by **Mazziemom** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:24 am

Good lord, did you say 9500 for a macaw??

Thats a hyacinth here... and a cage if you get the bird from a breeder.

Ouch.

Athena

Jade · Post by **Jade** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:42 pm

I'd love to get a macaw. I know a bloke who has a breeding pair (very rare here in our neck of the woods). He charges $15,000.00 a bird for parent raised and if you want him to hand rear it, $20,000.00.

This bloke has amazing aviaries with all sorts of birds you could imagine. Only problem he told me was that he can't advertise the birds for sale because people break in and steal them. He hasn't had that problem but he knows heaps of breeders and pet shops that have been robbed and their valuable birds stolen.

We also have the problem over here where there is a mad group of idiots called the bird liberationists who go around and open cage and aviary doors to encourage the birds to go back to the wild. Heaps of people have lost birds this way. Also, common house thieves will take your bird if it looks nice and is friendly. A friend of mine had her budgies killed by a burglar because they were chirping when he was ransacking her house.

Man, I get off topic so easily....sorry :oops:

Post by **Datsun and Family** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:24 am

Well our currency is about half the american dollar and NZD $9500 is cheap for a Blue & Gold Macaw

A Hyacinth is pretty much impossible to get here there is one breeding pair in the country that I know of and you are looking at upwards of $25 000 NZ

I would love a B&G but a Hyacinth is my dream! I also want a mollucan cockatoo or a black or palm cockatoo... I always want what I cant have!!!!

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:28 am

Oh thats so true! i would love to get so many more birds, they are so addictive!!!!!! i love my baby... i would love an lutino IRN or a sun conure so if any one knows any breeders in perth that breed em let me know! please! :lol:

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:38 am

Liberationalists make me angry, they should know birds RAISED in captivity cannot live in the wild and, wild caught birds arent caught anymore much if that makes sense. Most tame birds are happy being tame. and THIS is what happens when a tame bird goes into the wild.

I was outside and heard this cockatiel call, I tried calling it to me but it didnt work, a few mins later I went out to my front yard and saw this

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:52 am

Grrrr

THAT IS WHY I AM SOOOOOOOOO PRO-CLIP. It is the RESPONSIBLE thing to do.

I'll go toe to toe with anyone who would like to debate this issue.

She looks like a cinnamon pearl/pied. She is definately a girl. You can sex pieds/pearls at any age according to the barring on the underside of their feathers.

Dani03 · Post by **Dani03** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:01 am

Mikaela...where did you hear that any pearl/pieds (BTW pearling is a form of pied just humans have put more emphasis on the certian areas they liked, hence pearling) can be sexed at any age? The barring underneath their tail feathers runs horiziontally on every bird. I have never seen a tiel with the bars running vertically. Females never loose their barring so there is no way of telling a bird's sex from the barring when they are young. The males loose these bars once they have theri first two molts. I am wondering where you got you info at? Maybe a breeder? Oh and sorry I know this does not pertain to IRNs but I still love tiels and try to help out with my knowledge of them :wink:

Dani and Prinny

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:47 am

cockatiel.org is the most reliable place I have read it but I have ran across it in other readings while researching. Do a search on 'cockatiel sexing pied pearl'

cockatielcottage.com is reliable, as well. Their website it too cute.

Here is a good link to start your research.

http://www.www.cockatiels.org/articles/ ... exing.html

The barring DOES NOT run horizonally on every bird. It runs horizonally OR vertically on pieds and peals depending on the sex.

My fella's barring is vertical, thereby making him a male. This applies to pieds and pearls.

Mazziemom · Post by **Mazziemom** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:45 am

I've never seen vertical barring on a teil tail, and I see a lot of cockatiels. The horizontal bars can be a good indicator of sex, but people need to remember that some males will keep the barring for up to two years.

When you start getting into mutations, albino or lutino for example, it becomes more complicated to determine sex and the best way to go about it is DNA testing.

Athena

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:22 pm

That is exactly right, which is why near positive sexing is possible in pieds and peals... because of the barring.

Dani dont want to believe me Mazziemom. :roll:

Vertical = Male

Horizontal (with the horizon) = Female

In a pied or a pearl, this method of sexing is almost 90% accurate, no matter how young the chick is.

Cheif lost a tail feather (vertical barring, of course), let me know if you want to see a pic of it.

Why do I still have it? I dont know :oops:

Moms are just that way with babies. It was the first feather he lost. -shrug-

jen5239 · Post by **jen5239** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:39 pm

Well that picture breaks my heart! How freakin' sad is that. Poor baby! I love my little Milo. He is the friendliest little tiel I've ever seen and I can't help but think of him when I look at that pic. That poor little bird! :cry:

Jen & Byndi

Jade · Post by **Jade** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:35 pm

I can't help it. I see pictures like that and I'm bawling my eyes out. Yes, I will raise my hand and say I have definite issues. I can watch a Rambo or other equally bloodthirsty movie and see people be decapitated and not batter an eye lid, but show me an animal in distress or dead and I'm a mess.

I even get all misty eyed when I see a dead bird on the side of the road. I always pull over (if they don't appear mashed) to check it they are still alive.

We have hawks around here that come in and take the honeyeaters from our yard. I understand its the circle of life and this is the way the world works but still....

This is why I was so upset when Chuckles got out.

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:59 pm

I didnt mean to upset anyone by posting that picture, but I thought I should share it. If wasnt sure the bird was dead already I would have tried to do something other than take photos. I'd never seen this before, I was surprised hawks are even in our area, but I suppose because of all the new developments (turning half the wetlands bird santuary into housing) the hawks have to live in the burbs. The site of roadkill upsets me. I have saved a few birds from the side of the road.

I've lost two cockatiels in the past and now I dont need to guess what happened to them. Be very carful with your birds, and learn from this. And by that I dont mean go out and go clip crazy. This wasnt supposed to be *just* about clipping, the bird might have been an aviary bird that got past someone. Just really think about how to make sure your birds are secure and safe.

Please dont be anti flight just like people shouldnt be anti clip. There are other ways to make sure your birds can fly and are safe, and people make mistakes.

My Lifestyle enables my birds to be happy and safe without me having to clip them >.< I do what I can to accomodate my birds flight and I enjoy that part of them but I appreciate the fact that most people cant leave their birds flighted and this way for them is best.

Jade · Post by **Jade** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:45 pm

Neo:

Your picture didn't offend me. I am just a really messed up emotional girl! As I said, human (adult) attrocities don't seem to hit home as much as animals and children in distress. What this says about me personally, I don't know.

I think pictures like yours reinforce what could happen if your not careful. I think everyone needs a reminder once in a while.

Anyway, I'm off now to the psychiatrist.... :lol:

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:54 am

Do you think I should write an article about it for the bird club? If so do you have any suggestions as to what to focus on and what you should do to make a house secure for a bird?

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:58 pm

Neokireina wrote:Liberationalists make me angry, they should know birds RAISED in captivity cannot live in the wild and, wild caught birds arent caught anymore much if that makes sense. Most tame birds are happy being tame. and THIS is what happens when a tame bird goes into the wild.

I was outside and heard this cockatiel call, I tried calling it to me but it didnt work, a few mins later I went out to my front yard and saw this

Looks like a normal grey tiel to me....
Only bars I'm seeing are on the bird of prey.

From breeders: B&G macaws are about $950 USD, green-wings $1200 USD, hyacinths $9000-$10000 USD, Galah $1500 USD
around here in Florida. Pretty much the same in cali but add a hundred for shipping.

Pet stores have the IRN for about 200 green, then black capped conures are 500. Budgies can be up to thirty depending on colour, tiels anywhere from 30-100.

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:42 am

Melika:

We live in the same town, if you can get birds for that I want 1 of each AND a black and/or white umbrella cockatoo.

Unless birds have increased since last time you looked, Im sorry but I have been to about every breeder, pet shop, flea market, you name it and NEVER seen prices that conservative.

Show me :shock:

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:35 am

There's always B&G babies in the paper for 950-1000. And quite a few breeder sites too. Even candide and buffons macaws I've seen sold for less than a greenwing's cost.

A black 'too? Black palm 'toos run just over what a hyacinth costs... And with cockatoos the dust factor is HUGE.

Anyway, how can you not find these prices? If I find them for you will you get me my greenwing too? LOL!

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:56 am

man in australia prices are so cheap for too's ranging from $50 to like $450 AU dollars too!

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:50 am

You cant ship birds from Aussie to America can you?

If so, I have my paypal ready! IF you know ANYONE with a black umbrella 'too, I want it badly, please hook us up.

Melika:

I am feeling you about the dust, when Chief shakes fluffs fly off everywhere.

I want a black 'too SO BAD *pout*

I dont want to have to pay 10 grand though.

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:00 am

It's Illegal to export australian native parrots. I dont know much about the details tho.

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:06 am

awww im sorry mikaela i dont really know much about any breeders that breed them i just see them in this sell and buy newspaper called "the quoka" maybe check out something like that over there... iill seee if i can find some details on exports but like Neokireina said im pretty sure its not allowed! plus with all this bird flu stuff posted every where it doesnt help...

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:39 am

Yeah... didnt think so.

However, being an American I am very glad we have strict import laws. Especially considering I live in one of the major American port cities... Tampa.

About all we have to contend with is a bunch of tourists, although no telling what they may have HA!. Alot the cruise ships dock here and in Miami.

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:02 am

Native birds

The export of live native birds is strictly controlled. Commercial export is not permitted.

Australian residents who are leaving Australia with the intention of taking up permanent residence overseas may, providing relevant legal requirements are met, export the following Australian native birds as household pets:

* Sulphur-crested Cockatoo
(Cacatua galerita)
* Galah
(Elophus roseicapillus)
* Little Corella
(Cacatua sanguinea)
* Long-billed Corella
(Cacatua tenuirostris)
* Cockatiel
(Nymphicus hollandicus)
* Budgerigar
(Melopsittacus undulates)

What does non-commercial mean?

In the case of exporting or importing pet birds, it means that you must have owned and kept the bird as a pet and that the bird and any offspring won't be used for commercial purposes.

Can visitors from overseas purchase Australian birds to take back with them?

Visitors to Australia are not permitted to export native pet birds.

Jade · Post by **Jade** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:18 pm

I had to share this with you all. I was reading in the local paper this ad:

GIVEAWAY
2 yo Sulpher crested Cockatoo. Comes with cage, toys and severed fingers. Answers to Killer. Must be bird lover and have no fear. Call scared family members on ...

I thought this was hilarious!! I wanted to get him but Jamie wouldn't let me

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:54 pm

ha ha thats so funny.... they do have very :twisted:

mean looking beaks that could rip your fingers off!

Neokireina · Post by **Neokireina** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:29 pm

Bah, I wanted a Sulpher Crested 2

They should send it to me ;P

Melika · Post by **Melika** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:43 am

If aus ever opened it's doors and exported again galah prices would fall- be cheaper than a 'tiel!

It's good that black palm cockatoos cost so much. I might add they have trouble keeping them alive for their normal lifespan. something about captivity or the diet isn't right yet. They're still trying to figure it out.

Hyacinths used to be that way too, until they realized they NEED a diet of palm nuts etc.

baby_bella · Post by **baby_bella** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:01 am

Are you talking about the pink and grey galahs? oh there every where over here and there very cute, but extemely distructive, like they tear up the parks and gardens over here to get to the seedlings of the grass...

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