HELP PLEASE......how do we get....

Gemstone · Post by **Gemstone** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:44 pm

Toby to start standing his ground, he has been with us now for a month and is still running away from Amazon, Amzaon thinks this is a great game and chases him into corner etc and beats him up, he doesnt do it all the time but he does do it.

If Toby is in his cage Amazon wants to be in his cage to and then picks on Toby in his cage, if we put Toby on the gym Amazon will make his way over to the gym climb up and chase Toby off teh gym making Toby jump off onto the ground.

We need to know what we can do about this, we can seen to get Amazon to stop no matter how much we tell him off, if we tell him off he will look at you as he resonds to his name and then turns aroudn and does it again.

We have tried distracting Amazon with his toys but that only works for a short while, we have put Amazon in birdie jail when he hurts Toby.

We are just scared that Toby will get hurt, Toby is coming aroudn with females aswell and walking on the floor to get to places we really need Amazon to stop being naughty. Amazon loves cuddles with his mummy but that still doesnt stop chasing Toby its not a friendly chase either.

PLEASE HELP US PLEASE, will let you know if we have tried what is suggested

Donna · Post by **Donna** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:53 pm

No matter what you do you can't force the two birds to like each other! I would always keep them seperated. Maybe when they get older they will learn to like each other but for now let them have their own space. Birds are like people. Do you like every one you meet?

Donna

Post by **Lauren** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:30 pm

Yoda does the exact same thing to Jibby. Yoda knows his name, looks at me and proceeds to chase Jibby off whatever hes enjoying. Im constantly picking Yoda up and separating them. Yoda never bites though. So no phsyical fights yet. lAnd Jibby runs away as soon as he sees Yoda making a run for him. There has been times where Jibby has stood his ground. But they just pin and growl at each other. Still no bites. I think Yodas just making it known he is tough and dominant. Yodas very naughty, he knows when hes in trouble but proceeds to do what he wants to do till I pick him up (against his will) and separate. He even pins and growls at me if hes told off. Hes pushing the boundrys and seeing what he can get away with. Well that doesnt work with me!
I'd be interesting to know how to stop it aswell. Argh! Why cant they just we friends? :roll:

Donna · Post by **Donna** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:14 pm

Your putting both birds at risk by making them interact with each other. In the wild flock members don't always get along either. There is no secret cure to teach two birds to get along with each other. Don't try to change what nature put in their little minds.

Donna

Gemstone · Post by **Gemstone** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:33 pm

We cant keep them apart as they both have the roam of the house, we not forcing them to like each other we just want teh baby to stop chasing the older one,

Donna · Post by **Donna** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:20 pm

These are Not domesticated animals we're dealing with we can't treat them as such. I have 8 birds from IRN's to Macaws I never had a problem keeping them apart from each other. If it's a big problem keeping them seperated then maybe you have one to many birds.

Donna

Post by **Lauren** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:24 pm

Of course we dont 'force' or make them do anything they dont want to do. I live in a tiny unit. Bit hard to separate. They both get to roam the house and can quite easily get away from each other if they want. They are watched. They dont fight. Just 'tell' each other to back off in theyre birdy body language I guess. The problem is not keeping them apart. Just stopping the dominating behaviour of one.

Donna · Post by **Donna** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:45 am

In order to fix a bad behavior you must first find what caused it. Birds are not born with bad behavior we instill it in the birds. You say your having problems with dominence, ok stop and look what you let your birds do. They have free range of the house. I just don't understand why you wouldn't give your birds boundries as you would a small child. Give them their own play gym and if they come off of it put them right back. Keep doing this till they realize this is where mommy (flockleader) wants us to stay.

Donna

Gemstone · Post by **Gemstone** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:01 am

Maybe this was another bad question to ask, thanks but we arent going to stop them from roaming the house, i wouldnt lock a small child in one place like a playpen why do it to the birds

Mikaela · Post by **Mikaela** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:54 am

Donna wrote:In order to fix a bad behavior you must first find what caused it. Birds are not born with bad behavior we instill it in the birds. You say your having problems with dominence, ok stop and look what you let your birds do. They have free range of the house. I just don't understand why you wouldn't give your birds boundries as you would a small child. Give them their own play gym and if they come off of it put them right back. Keep doing this till they realize this is where mommy (flockleader) wants us to stayDonna

Good words coming from a good heart or she wouldnt bother posting. We have a lot of the same 'tone' from what I understand Donna. Odd, we didnt know we had tone, huh? Just calling it like we see it.

Stop PMing me about her 'tone'. She is not mean, she is straight-forward and most people cant take that. But, its much needed and encouraged not to baby members or sugar coat issues so they dont look so grime. It saves lifes.

According to statistics, the average IQ isnt very impressive so we start at first base with members and take it from there, in the best interest of the bird. Allow me to back up my claims.

Descriptive Classifications of Intelligence Quotients

130+ Very superior 2.2%
120-129 Superior 6.7%
110-119 High average 16.1%
90-109 Average 16.1
80-89 Low average 50%
70-79 Borderline 6.7%
Below70 Extremely low 2.2%

In other words: Half of the population have IQ’s of between 90 and 110. While 25% have higher IQ’s and 25% have lower IQ’s.

Shew, woman with a little 'tone' sure arent well received. This is 2007, time for the female intimidation to end. We have brains, some of us use them, we can vote and many of us are very strong-willed and determinated to succeed. We Fear Nothing. Get use to it, we are only growing in numbers.

Post by **Lauren** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:16 am

Not a bad question, sometimes its good to hear other opinions. Makes you think. Opens your mind. :wink:

They can still roam the house but there is 'no go zones' and things they are not alowed to do. I cant give up Jibby following me around the house and wanting me to play all day, he gets me out of bed in the morning and likes to check up on me. He loves his freedom. Hes easy to handle (well I find him easy to handle) and he does as hes told (90% of the time). Can be 'difficult' at times, but hey what bird isnt. Yoda on the other hand needs alot of discipline. Hes a naughty birdy! :roll:

But has never biten me, ever. Just doesnt do as his told. Hes still a baby, so we are still learning. Whenever Yodas annoying Jibby, I put him in his cage.

I guess the point of this is we cannot force our birds to like one another, its all up to them, but keep in mind, they can do harm to each other so they need to be watched. They need some boundries with a healthy balance of freedom. Only times, my birds are in cages are when I'm out or bedtime. They know it.

Here4Fun · Post by **Here4Fun** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:02 am

PSchick... your baby is an exception. With his foot fetish we have to handle him differently. Without your feet... all there would be is the bell. :cry:

Gemstone · Post by **Gemstone** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:56 pm

Adam and I have been looking up on indian ringnecks before we even got one, we have books and sites and everything, we have been to people that are only for birds and they said we are goign great, yes they might get treats and we were told that a little treat is fine it WONT HURT THEM.

Plus bout your IQ thing my IQ is 125 so im not stupid and i know what im doing, if i cant find the answer by doing it then i look in a book if the book dont help then i ask in here.

In out house it is impossible to lock them away from each other, as i said if it was child i wouldnt lock the child in a play pen i would move it to another area of the room and give it something else to do yes i do that with Amazon he is always getting put by his toy box and he will go play with his toys.

Im a teacher for under 5's in my home and so i no what children do to get attention and i know that is what Amazon is doing to get attention.

I just wanted to know if there was a way to stop them chasing eah other considering Toby is just coming off his cage and exploring the house and all Amazon wants to do is chase him in fun and games but Toby doesnt see it like that

Donna · Post by **Donna** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:35 pm

I'm very sorry that people think I'm mean and have the wrong tone

My advise comes from my own experiences and being raised all my life with birds. My tone comes from people thinking my home is a dump station for their out of control bird. More then once I have come home from work to find a bird in a cage with a note on it saying this bird is stupid and mean and we don't want it anymore. You can take my advise or leave it, I really don't care either way, and I will still take in the poor birds thats left on my door step.

Donna

Post by **Lauren** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:48 pm

I dont see 'tone' in typing. I just read what is typed. No one is mean here just opinionated. And thats not a bad thing. :wink: