cleartail turq (for Ring0Neck)

[madas]

Here are father children pics of cleartail turq birds. Father cleartail dark turqblue (left), offspring cleartail turq mauve violet (middle and other pics; first ever breed in Europe; not my birds).







and a bad one :



greetings.

[Ring0Neck]

Hi Madas,

Great pics collage


I was hoping 1 of the birds to be a non CT as i was going to compare the patch sizes CT V non CT
I knew EU has heavily patched Turquoise (from prev. pics) including those posted by Criskoi i think, with a huge saddle

[madas]

Ah yeah. I must search for it in my archive.

[Ring0Neck]

I have 2 grey pieds same age diff. bloodline
the one the right has black lower mandible (as it should)
the one on the left does not

* The only diff. between the 2 is the bird on the left is split CT brother of the "white"

Could that be a sign of the CT split?
the only other mutation that i can think of with red lower mandible is Cinnamon




Opinions ?

PS: I can see in the pic bird on the left has a dark red beak & the other lighter red, not sure if so as these pics were taken at diff times but i will do a visual inspection to be sure.

[Johan S]

Ben, I'm fairly sure recessive genes can show themselves in combinations, like in your grey dom. pied / CT. Our mauve SL dom. edged / CHF cocks also have a different mandible colour.

Madas, do you think the father cleartail dark turqblue is split for NSLino? Unless it is simply the moult, the bird has a poorly defined neck ring. That is a very good marker for ino, as you know. Which also adds to the point that recessive genes can manifest themselves in other combinations.

[madas]

I have 2 grey pieds same age diff. bloodline
the one the right has black lower mandible (as it should)
the one on the left does not

* The only diff. between the 2 is the bird on the left is split CT brother of the "white"

Could that be a sign of the CT split?
the only other mutation that i can think of with red lower mandible is Cinnamon




Opinions ?

PS: I can see in the pic bird on the left has a dark red beak & the other lighter red, not sure if so as these pics were taken at diff times but i will do a visual inspection to be sure.

Regarding the beak color: a psittacula krameri borealis beak is showing the same appearance like your bird in the left pic. So not necessarily caused by a hidden rec. mutation.

madas

[madas]

Ben, I'm fairly sure recessive genes can show themselves in combinations, like in your grey dom. pied / CT. Our mauve SL dom. edged / CHF cocks also have a different mandible colour.

Madas, do you think the father cleartail dark turqblue is split for NSLino? Unless it is simply the moult, the bird has a poorly defined neck ring. That is a very good marker for ino, as you know. Which also adds to the point that recessive genes can manifest themselves in other combinations.

Hm, don't know. But never heard that the breeder got any NSLino from his cleartails. But in return he got 4 CT mauve violet within three breeding season. Not bad at all.

madas

[Skyes_crew]

I have 2 grey pieds same age diff. bloodline
the one the right has black lower mandible (as it should)
the one on the left does not

* The only diff. between the 2 is the bird on the left is split CT brother of the "white"

Could that be a sign of the CT split?
the only other mutation that i can think of with red lower mandible is Cinnamon




Opinions ?



PS: I can see in the pic bird on the left has a dark red beak & the other lighter red, not sure if so as these pics were taken at diff times but i will do a visual inspection to be sure.

Regarding the beak color: a psittacula krameri borealis beak is showing the same appearance like your bird in the left pic. So not necessarily caused by a hidden rec. mutation.

madas

Similar to Alexandrine sub species...but different because its hard to tell them apart. Most models are based around P. k. manillensis. Little is documented that I've found on the variations between sub species in psittacula krameri.

I have three such birds with off colored beaks

[Ring0Neck]

Thanks for your replies.

I am yet to see another red lower mandible on a mature Harlequin Pied.
I did not pay particular attention to it but all mine have it incl. 1 y old and pics i looked at.
This bird is split CT .
Also, the brother (white) {will update that thread soon} i suspect of not being CT Pied for a couple of reasons.

[minnie]

Can you please post a picture of that bird in the blue series

[Ring0Neck]

Minnie

You mean a blue pied?
Pic below:

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/PB236625.JPG

[minnie]

Nice pic but I wanted a pic of a cleartail turq blue ???

[minnie]

Can you please tell me what bird this is I bred it out of a turq grey/whwt and a turq blue

[Ring0Neck]

I see a TurquoiseBlue WHWT
Well Done.

[minnie]

Funny I never expected it from that pair but still could it be possible to breed it out of a turq grey/whwt and a turq blue. Or could it mean that the turq blue also splits

[Ring0Neck]

The only conclusion: both birds were at least split for WHWT Yes.


What you've experienced will happen more n more from now on as many possible split whwt will be discarded as normals.

[minnie]

Thank you very much but I'm selling those birds getting me pieds or violets but the price of the violets are hefty