My newest bird
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Fah wrote:Visually she is a Turquoise Grey
I used to breed alot of them, they are gorgeous birds. I fell in love with the simple but stunning turquoise gene many years ago.
Sorry. But she isn't Turquoise grey. This is a Turquoise grey bird:
She is for certain Turquoise and Violet. But she should be cobalt too. So what do you think. Could she be a Turquoise Cobalt violet hen?
madas wrote:
Sorry. But she isn't Turquoise grey
Heya, I am always up for being corrected, however I have been breeding IRN mutations since I started into the world of birds. I have been focusing on Turquoise in various mutations, including violet as well as a friends flock that includes cobalts.
It is most certainly not a turquoise violet or turquoise cobalt. It definately has the grey gene.
The turquoise mutation is NOT a perfectly replicated mutation, taking many different visual forms in the amount of colour, and strength of colour, especially in females. Males tend to get roughly the same appearance, however hens get a very mixed appearance, mostly due to the males nature in specific colour change as it ages.
Your picture is of a male IRN, and the mutation varies heavily between the sexes visually. The photo of that male is also a very brightly lit environment, lightening the grey similarly to what it looks like in direct light. Depending on the lighting, the grey can be a deep gunmetal grey, to pale slate grey, have seen this over, and over.
This is a typical turquoise violet cock... now imagine that purpleblue colouring throughout, very clearly, with green hues... the bird posted has definately the grey gene, and shows no true purple/blue... and there are no special variations of 'violet' or 'cobalt'. The shading of the image gives the bird a slightly offgrey colour, however this is lighting quality. There is no chance I could even come remotely close to confusing grey with either violet or cobalt.
The cobalt turquoise is not too dissimilar to the turquoise blue, just a stronger difference between the hues of green and blue.
The grey mutation masks violet and cobalt.... so there is no way to know that those mutations are in the bird without breeding.
You have to remember, turquoise, particularly in hens, varies heavily from one to three samples... often changing in appearance in the same clutch and they continue to change in appearance over the first 5 years of their life on a regular occasion.
The lighting isnt great, but I assure you.. its a turquoise grey. I just cant see where you get the idea its a turquoise violet.. when the bird is obviously not a blue/purple... or even blue... the lighting shows a blue hue to the darker parts of grey... but its a visual grey.
Reference shot: This shot is of a turquoise violet, in the average to low grade quality camera shot, about as unviolet as you can get a violet to appear, and it is still easily taken as having the purple/blue hue throughout the entire areas in question.
The above is a similarly coloured turquoise gene, in the violet mutation. You can see that the lighting in the original pic lends to the misinterpretation at the tail.. but nothing even close to the top of the body, it most certainly has no purple or blue domination next to the green.
As another note: the bird could be split for god knows what... there is no way to tell however without breeding. Being split to violet, cobalt, even ino etc, has no affect on the appearance of the bird. Grey can purely mask violet, cobalt so all we know is that its a turquoise grey... whether its a turquoiseblue grey, turquoiseblue violet grey, or a turquoiseblue cobalt grey is anyones guess until you breed it.
However... violet and cobalt and not overly common mutations in any country.. and a general assumption can be made that its a regular turquoise grey hen.
You may want her to be a violet / cobalt, but unless you can show her with no grey to her at all, not much else to say.
Last edited by Fah on Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
Hi FAh,
i can't imagine where you the grey factor. The bird really shows no grey. Btw. the parents are 1,0 cobalt and 0,1 turquoise violet. So my bird can't be grey.
here is a picture of the parents (they aren't my birds):
and another picture of my new bird beside my other irn's (normal green, my new bird, 1,0 turquoise cobalt, 0,1 violet):
i can't imagine where you the grey factor. The bird really shows no grey. Btw. the parents are 1,0 cobalt and 0,1 turquoise violet. So my bird can't be grey.
here is a picture of the parents (they aren't my birds):
and another picture of my new bird beside my other irn's (normal green, my new bird, 1,0 turquoise cobalt, 0,1 violet):
Ok, she has to be the most mellow version I have ever seen in my life then (must seriously be the photo). Combination of cobalt and violet = rich purple... not greyish... never have I ever seen a violet / cobalt bird even remotely that colour... so its a first for me. Hence why I am so suprised that is either violet/cobalt. Our generations of birds are somewhat jewel like in colour, similar to many other breeders in Australia.
Your violet looks like a violet, the turquoise cobalts arent too different to normal turquoise blues, but that turuqoise violet... never had one that mellow shade before.
I mean... mauve (double factor cobalt) can have the blandish colouring, however you need two cobalts for that to happen.
edit: just had my friend take a look at it, they are also suprised to see those two birds produce something like yours. We can see the darker tail, but we just cant pick anything like it through the upper body area that is similar to what we are used to. I am not the only one to see the grey colouring, was begining to think my eyesight was going on me lol.
Either way, good luck to you and the birds.
Your violet looks like a violet, the turquoise cobalts arent too different to normal turquoise blues, but that turuqoise violet... never had one that mellow shade before.
I mean... mauve (double factor cobalt) can have the blandish colouring, however you need two cobalts for that to happen.
edit: just had my friend take a look at it, they are also suprised to see those two birds produce something like yours. We can see the darker tail, but we just cant pick anything like it through the upper body area that is similar to what we are used to. I am not the only one to see the grey colouring, was begining to think my eyesight was going on me lol.
Either way, good luck to you and the birds.
Last edited by Fah on Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I have not bred that darker a bird from violet/cobalt before, but its certainly not a plain cobalt turquoise.
Just going off the pics of the parents however, there is no direct similarity with the turquoise violet, so you could have a safe say that its a turquoise violet cobalt.
Genetics wise that bird would have turquoise, blue, violet, cobalt in it if that was the case... quite a variety.
Just going off the pics of the parents however, there is no direct similarity with the turquoise violet, so you could have a safe say that its a turquoise violet cobalt.
Genetics wise that bird would have turquoise, blue, violet, cobalt in it if that was the case... quite a variety.
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hiiii can anyone
give me the genetic chart of the turquoise cobalt violet ringneck ??
give me the genetic chart of the turquoise cobalt violet ringneck ??
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Re: My newest bird
I think this is what you want.
= D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) V+/V;D_bl/D+_bltq;
Thanks Glenn
= D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) V+/V;D_bl/D+_bltq;
Thanks Glenn
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he looks like my baby who is a TurquoiseGrey Opaline but yours look more blue then grey so im not sure
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No idea about colors and breeding but all I can say is, they're all adorable.. Awesome pics!
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beautiful colour
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Hi Madas,
Definately a turqouise sf violetblue, no grey in it at all, just look at the flights, violet not dark grey/black as in grey series birds. Could possibly be sf violet cobalt from the parents of it, only breeding will determine it.
Also so others out there dont get confussed Violet & Dark factor (Cobalt- Dark green) mutations are dominant, so this means that you can not have a bird split to either of these mutations, buyer beware, seen advertised recently split violet and also nest sexed violets, can not sex violets in the nest because they are dominant mutations could be either c or h's.
Plenty of violet mutations in Australia now, through turqouise, blue, emerald, head & tails, pieds, opalines, pallids, some more rarer than others, also dark factor coming through most of these mutations as well.
Cheers Rigs
Definately a turqouise sf violetblue, no grey in it at all, just look at the flights, violet not dark grey/black as in grey series birds. Could possibly be sf violet cobalt from the parents of it, only breeding will determine it.
Also so others out there dont get confussed Violet & Dark factor (Cobalt- Dark green) mutations are dominant, so this means that you can not have a bird split to either of these mutations, buyer beware, seen advertised recently split violet and also nest sexed violets, can not sex violets in the nest because they are dominant mutations could be either c or h's.
Plenty of violet mutations in Australia now, through turqouise, blue, emerald, head & tails, pieds, opalines, pallids, some more rarer than others, also dark factor coming through most of these mutations as well.
Cheers Rigs
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Those are some beautiful birds, The colors are gorgeous on them. Seeing them all lined up in a row would be a sight to see. I just got pair of young cockatoos, and let me tell you they are a pleasure to watch.
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pic with agapornis personatus (green) is so amazing.
if you know their character, you know, agapornis is the boss there...
if you know their character, you know, agapornis is the boss there...