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cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:48 pm
by mallee_1
Anyone seen cinnamon in head & tails?

I can not say I have ever seen one, anyone else seen one and maybe have picture?

Regards Mallee

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:53 pm
by trabots
Hi Mallee,

I have bred Cinnamon Blue CHCT hens over the past 2 seasons. They do not do the CHCT mutation any favours as that mutation looks best with the most contrast between the clear and the colour. The Cinnamon Blue CHCT looks ok to start with and then by the end of summer it is quite bleached out. The bonus with Cinnamons in sunny climes is they look like pieds for a couple of months while they moult the new darker feathers in amongst the bleached old feathers. It may be quite nice in Green series, however I won't be allocating cage space for them in the future.

Willy

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:48 pm
by mallee_1
Hi Willy,

Good to se you on this board, miss your banter on the other site.

Yes I thought the cinnamonblue h&t would be washed out but I was thinkng of the green series, its not the combination that most people would pair as they are chasing the violets & cobalts.

Sounds like you have a blue h&t split cinnamon cock to be breeding cinnamonblue h&t hens.

If you ever decide to sell the cock bird let me know.

Regards Glenn

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:13 pm
by trabots
Hi Glenn,

Correct, I had a surprise lavender 2 years ago in my Blue CHCT x Violet Blue / CHCT pair. They are top breeders however I was just going to use them for fosters next year. They bred this year:

CINNAMON BLUE CHCT F
VIOLET /CHCT /CINNAMON? (sex?)
BLUE CHCT / CINNAMON? (sex?)
CINNAMON BLUE /CHCT F
BLUE /CHCT /CINNAMON? (sex?)

From last year I have left:
VIOLET CINNAMON BLUE /CHCT F
CINNAMON BLUE CHCT F
BLUE /CHCT /CINNAMON? M

and from a different pairing:
COBALT VIOLET /CINNAMON M

The 2012 DNA has been sent. How many do you want????????? The breeding pair has to stay together, the hen would most likely kill a new cock. You can PM me.

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:55 pm
by prodigy
Hi Glen,

Mine are on eggs at the moment, will let you know in 3 weeks.

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Peter

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:04 pm
by prodigy
Some color reference pics.

Cobalt Blue Cinnamon, Violet Blue Cinnamon, Cobalt Violet Blue Cinnamon

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Violet Blue Cinnamon & Deep Blue Cinnamon
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Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:05 am
by ZaneFindlay
Hi all,

That's a nice Violet Cinnamon split CHCT Peter!, Is it possibly double factor?????

Regards
Zane

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:23 am
by prodigy
Hi Zane,

I think it might be, i have some nice cobalt cinnamon dominate edges cocks for you to put with your Belgium DF Violet CT's ;-)

Regards,

Peter

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:38 am
by ZaneFindlay
He Peter,

Let me know when we can get together,

I still have 2 X Violet (possible Double Factor violet) split CHCT hens availiable to sell.
These are 2011 birds from Europe so 6 months older than SA 2011 babies, they were bred from the following two types of pairings
Violet CHCT (male) - Violet / CHCT (hen)
and
Violet / CHCT (male) - Violet CHCT (hen)

Both birds are possible double factor Violet and guaranteed split CHCT (clear head clear tail)

Peter please will you upload the pic's to took of the too hens,

if anybody is interested please email me directly

Regards
Zane

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:45 pm
by prodigy
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Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:44 am
by ZaneFindlay
Thanks Peter,

The two violet HENS that are in the pic above were bred from the following:

Pair 1
Violet CHCT - Violet / CHCT

Pair 2
Violet / CHCT - Violet CHCT

There is the possibility that they double factor violets, but test breeding will tell.

I have two(2) left for sale, please email me if interested, they originally from Europe and were bred in the beginning of 2011 (there season is 6 months earlier than ours in South Africa)

Thanks

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:42 pm
by mallee_1
Willy,

So all the young cocks out of the pair that have breed Cin Violetblue H&T hen will only be possible split cinnamon, will be looking for a definate split or even Cin blue H&T cock, may be onto one at the moment, thanks for the offer.

Regards Glenn

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:01 pm
by Sherjil
prodigy wrote:Some color reference pics.
Violet Blue Cinnamon & Deep Blue Cinnamon
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Dears;
I have a query about the first bird on the left in above snap; can you please explain the main identifying difference between pallid & cinnamon ?..... to me pallids have white wing shafts in the flight feathers and cinnamons have dark brown ? but after seeing this lavender hen I am lil bit confused :roll:





Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:33 am
by Ring0Neck

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:53 am
by Johan S
The diluted heads of the pallids are a dead give away. And like you mention, the clearer flights. Those birds, however, seem like dom. edged cinnamon to me. That will alter the flight feathers to create the confusion when considering only cinnamon.

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:47 pm
by Ring0Neck

Re: cinnamon head & tails

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:51 am
by Johan S
Wow, that's and interesting bird. Would love to see a mature cock! :D