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we had the best day. Everywhere went the bird were just all over me, Leisa couldn't believe it, wished they would do that with her. I think its a "they know who is comfortable with birds" thing. But I had the best time with the breeding pair of sun conures, they were giving me major kisses, I sooooo wish I could have had them.
An amazing breeding pair of ecclectus. King Parrots, Princess Parrots, all colours of ringnecks, Alexandrines (real beauties), galah's, cockatoo's, green cheek conures, quakers, all the little budgie canary type birds, on and on. I was in paradise.
Scary though. I was looking at the IRN's all different avaries of all different stages etc. The breeding avaries, there were parents with youngsters, I was looking ... and spotted a bird with a grey shadow around the neck and black flash appearing just above the eye, like Kai has.
I said to the breeder "oh is that one probably going to turn out to be a male?" .. uuum "No, she said, thats the breeding female.
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Now I could see the full grown male with the ring in and those just starting to get their black flecks of ring coming. But what I thought looked like kai that had dark shadow around the bottom of the neck, were infact the breeding females.
I turned to Leisa and gulped ! you know what .. kai just might be a female.
And then I am told that even though kai is 15 months old and going through his first full on complete and disastrous moult that he won't get his ring in until at least 3 years of age
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a girl.
I couldn't imagine it though. I just feel so strongly that he is a boy, his actions etc. but then ?? how do I know how a boy IRN acts ?? and the breeder said he was 70% sure and more sure of him than any other of this sibblings that he would be the boy of the bunch , or was he just saying that to sell me a bird
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I dont care .. boy or girl really .. but I have always looked at Kai as a boy
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you guys have all seen pictures of kai many times.. do you think he looks like a he or she .. I know its impossible to really tell, but HELP
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