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I have not noticed abnormal nails on Deep Blues.

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Emerald or 'Aqua' is a different mutation to Turquoise or Indigo. It has always been assumed that it is a Parblue like the other two. This latter point has never been actually proven however it doesn't change visible breeding outcomes in Blue series either way.

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At the time the latest Bastiaan book was published he declared that TurquoiseBlues and df Turquoise were not different. That Turquoise moniker also included what we now know as IndigoBlues. As I and others have clearly shown, the df Turquoise is a different phenotype to TurquoiseBlue and df Indigo i...

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Indigo is another Parblue mutation so it works exactly like Turquoise.

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The name Indigo was coined I believe by Babu. It has no relation to the colour of the bird. Despite my pleading with the proponents of the International Naming System, none of the gurus would propose an alternate better name. So we are stuck with the name which is no bad thing because there is no ot...

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Willy and me we do not agree in the basics of parblues genotypes Recio, that is a pretty broad statement. The genotypes are what they are, what I disagree with is your trying to determine the genotype from looking only at the heterozygous phenotype. I will always insist that it is the homozygous ph...

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So far in Turquoise, Indigo and Emerald IRNs the df Parblue or homozygous has increased psittacin over the ParblueBlue or heterozygous. The df Indigo even has some red in the ring indicating increased psittacin pigments while the IndigoBlue has a white ring.

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Practice makes perfect Mauve, DF Deep Blue http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/DFDarkBlueDFDeepBlue.jpg DF Deep Blue, DF Violet Blue http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/DFDeepBlueDFVioletBlue.jpg Cinnamon Deep Blue http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/CinnamonDe...

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Now for the image labels:

df Turquoise, TurquoiseBlue

IndigoBlue, df Indigo

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If these images do not appear on this post could someone again spell out how to embed images in posts? Cheers.

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The other problem I have is getting the labels that are on the pics to transfer across from photobucket.

The bottom image shows clearly the difference between a df Turquoise on left and a TurquoiseBlue

The top image has the df Indigo on the right and the IndigoBlue on the left

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So what am I doing wrong? The pics are now shrunk.

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sorry but this dumb engineer has forgotten how to make the images appear

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This thread is full of examples of various posters using 'Turquoise' when they mean TurquoiseBlue. This could be fixed by the use of df Turquoise when we mean homozygous Turquoise. Not correct according to the Terry Martins of this world however just using Turquoise for the homozygous bird always le...

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Would have been nice if you had a Deep Blue thrown in there. Unfortunately all Deep Blues, Df Violets etc have fledged. If I could simply attach images as I think of them and as I am typing, my posts would be full of images. I do not wish to have all my images duplicated elsewhere. I do have an aut...

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Why the heck isn't the label transferred? Cobalt, 3 Violets, Cobalt Violet

This is a different clutch but shows what you want.

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I would if I could. I am afraid unless this forum creates an easier way to attach images you will miss out on many. Photobucket continually freezes when I open in Google Chrome, a right PIA it is.

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I have not had in the hand a DF Violet Blue and DF Violet Cobalt so can only speculate the latter will be slightly darker.

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Would a European Cobalt, a Violet Blue and a Violet European Cobalt be easy to identify in the nest and also once they leave the nest. What would be the things to look for when comparing each? I have had a Cobalt Violet x Cobalt pair breeding for me for several seasons. They are rearing their secon...

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Johan, I think that I can say with confidence that our Deep Blues in Oz are clean and not mixed with Emerald or 'Harlequin'. In the former I have posted a Deep EmeraldBlue pic which is a green bird and as for Dominant Pied, it is what it is and if it is there in any bird it is seen with a single gen...

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Regarding the allelic relationship with dark, we did breed one of our 'strange looking' cobalts to a mauve to produce two mauve phenotypes. So whatever else that cobalt hen is carrying, isn't an allele of dark. However, I'm not saying that the hen is cobalt deep at this stage. Might be cobalt viole...

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What has bothered me ( and a big source of my so-called arrogance) is the apparent limited genetics knowledge displayed by these so called legend breeders. To have had the Deep mutation since the mid eighties and to have never investigated the for sure existence of the homozygous bird amazes me. All...

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:I've still got a long way to go before getting my head totally around homozygous, heterozygous, alleles :D Try getting your head around these key points: locus = location on chromosome which has 2 spots on it for 2 and only 2 genes, these are wildtype at all locii in a normal bird. Every mutant ge...

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I agree

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ParblueBlue = TurquoiseBlue or IndigoBlue or EmeraldBlue (alleles are joined using caps) = 'pastel' = heterozygous Parblue = heteroallele Parblue = Turquoise or Indigo or Emerald = homozygous Parblue = df Turquoise or df Indigo or df Emerald (my own way using lower case, dominant in Blue series only...

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Why not just CHCT or clear head clear tail for all 'tail birds'? Using YHYT for green and WHWT for Blue what do you use for Parblue 'tail birds'?

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I am getting rid of my NSL Ino, 2/3 poss split siblings and split parents. If nobody wants them I'll use them for fosters. It is a problem in CHCT's. If all CHCT birds are split NSL Ino and all red eyed chicks are killed, then the only problem is 25% less birds. Apparently that has been going on sin...

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I have attached a couple of pics which show how hard it is to identify these birds. Cobalt Violet Blue and Deep Violet Blue http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/CobaltVioletDeepViolet.jpg Deep Violet Blue and DF Violet Blue http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/DeepVioletandDF...

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Sorry about the posts, I am trying to work it out.

Voila!! Something about the way us engineer's think I guess.

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I cut and pasted the addresses from the previous post. Still not loaded in preview.

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I also meant to point out how much nicer Deep looks on an Emerald than Violet or Dark does. You 'in depth' thinkers may use this to surmise what is different about Deep from Violet and Dark and if the psittacin sometimes apparent in Deep birds also has something to do with it. http://s1305.beta.phot...

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I noticed a bit of creamy colour on the left leg confirming psittacin but no patchiness anywhere on the back which eliminated a Turquoise or Indigo gene possibility. The overall colour is similar to EmeraldBlue when combined with Violet or Dark.

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http://s1305.beta.photobucket.com/user/ ... sort=3&o=0
http://s1305.beta.photobucket.com/user/ ... sort=3&o=1

Not as nice as pasted in the post.

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Images too big, I have to reduce my image size and then save in photobucket? Photobucket has no 'save for web' click.

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I don't have a Violet EmeraldBlue so I can't tell if this is a Deep also. This is a Deep EmeraldBlue

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FINALLY

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1 MORE 2 GO

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here is one more post. Thanks Deb.

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I got to the very last part and after I had pasted the address for my image and then 'preview' I got this message???

Your post looks too spamy for a new user, please remove off-site URLs.

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I'll bite. Violet Dark EmeraldBlue

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It seems that this forum website needs the images reduced in size in order to attach without exceeding the post limit. If so that is a real shame. If not could someone please show how? Cheers.

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Hi Glenn, Correct, I had a surprise lavender 2 years ago in my Blue CHCT x Violet Blue / CHCT pair. They are top breeders however I was just going to use them for fosters next year. They bred this year: CINNAMON BLUE CHCT F VIOLET /CHCT /CINNAMON? (sex?) BLUE CHCT / CINNAMON? (sex?) CINNAMON BLUE /C...

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Prodigy or Peter, sorry to hijack this thread but what is that white and pink bird in your images?

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Hi Mallee, I have bred Cinnamon Blue CHCT hens over the past 2 seasons. They do not do the CHCT mutation any favours as that mutation looks best with the most contrast between the clear and the colour. The Cinnamon Blue CHCT looks ok to start with and then by the end of summer it is quite bleached o...

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Hi folks, Willy Stobart here. Recio has asked that I join your forum. Deeps are my main interest which I will adress in the appropriate thread. My thoughts on Parblues: Firstly I disagree totally with this identification of Parblue mutations using only the heterzygous forms and the relative psittaci...

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