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Molussus, the 'Emerald' Alex is very close in phenotype to a normal. I have said this before IMO this mutation is not the same as Emerald in IRNs as in that species there is a significant difference in phenotype.

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Yes I know, just trying to excite :!: So many people claim world firsts without knowing what the rest of the world is up to. Again, the CHCT sure darkens the colours that are left. Ron confirmed this. There is theory that CHCT is another Fallow however this darkening goes against the normal Fallow a...

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From Ron, world first Deep Blue CHCT.

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Ron sent me this today. Only a phone pic, camera pics to come. Nothing like what I see in this thread.

SF Deep Green

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Great that you are a thinker Mike, like Ben said, great to have you aboard. :idea: What we keep forgetting is that the homozygous Blue mutation on its own removes ALL psitticins in each and every other mutation that we know of. Why then if Emerald is dominant does this not happen? A SF Emerald Blue ...

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Gratz, don't do as I did and cut off their wings, get some help holding the wings out for an accurate comparison. Cheers.

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I suppose the issue is whether the point the writer is trying to make is the one focused on by the person responding. Takes one to know one Johan :lol: Seriously, I don't miss the point as you surely don't either. I just hate having to type out homozygous every time I want to refer to a df Parblue....

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Well done on correcting me so graciously and missing the actual point of the post where I went through a lot of effort to attempt to answer your questions. I assume your questions have been answered. Johan, my questions were just answered by theoretical possibilities but no birds on the perch. I pr...

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Obviously I queried Ron about the Pied being split CHCT however it wasn't sold to him as that. He also says it has very small dark patches, just like a DF Pied.

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Paul, if this isn't an EmeraldBlue then what is? This is the standard other than there is a question about the neck ring being variable, nothing new in a Parblue. You take verbatim that it must have "UNIFORM overall colour", it is uniform only in the sense that a Green wildtype is uniform....

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Ron has just advised me that from a Dom Pied x CHCT pairing he also got an almost white bird.

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Recio, how about this logic:

Assign a df Turquoise a psitticin level of 10

Assign a homozygous Blue a psitticin level of 0

Combine the 2 alleles and you get an average of the two or 5 as is seen in a TurquoiseBlue.

There is a valid counter to this logic.................

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And another, in this case the bird was a Violet Mauve

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Sorry, sorry. I could have let this go as fact but after checking my records the imaged bird bred non Parblues when paired to a Blue. They bred a male NSL Albino which confirmed both parents were split NSL Ino. They were both split CHCT. So is this bird an IndigoBlue or a TurquoiseBlue? In any event...

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we should have long ago seen a compounding effect in the numerous TurquoiseIndigos which have been bred before it was realised that they were different Parblues This is your answer Recio. TurquoiseIndigos are out there for sure and they aren't noticed unless someone breeds one to a Blue which then ...

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No such thing as a DF turquoise, so you should correct that incorrect usage as frequently as possible. :wink: Wink or otherwise Johan, I declared long ago that I would use lower case "df" for homozygous Parblues. they are still factors after all. Everyone then knows what I am talking abou...

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The psittacin quantity in the heteroallele TurquoiseEmerald will be in between that of either homozygotic alleles, that is between DF Turquoise and DF Emerald but we are describing TurquoiseEmerald respective to the heterozygous TurquoiseBlue, and thus, if Turquoise and Emerald were both parblues, ...

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If Emerald was a parblue, a TurquoiseEmerald must show a deeper red ring than a TurquoiseBlue. Do we agree? I don't agree. The psitticin quantity in the heteroallele overall will be in between that of either, so a lighter neck ring IMO. If the psitticin quantity was cumulative the EmeraldTurquoise ...

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Further to this can anyone post an image of any Emerald which has a non-white ring? If there is a Green series Emerald that would be the bird.

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If this is the case then Emerald couldn't be a even colored parblue.

Stefan, you can clearly see that the EmeraldBlue in my image has a different coloured face to the rest of its body. I think the 'even distribution of psitticin was just to differentiate from TurquoiseBlue and now IndigoBlue.

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EmeraldBlue

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No one can provide a pic of an Emerald parblue adult male showing the red ring?

Sorry. I just went off your last post. An EmeraldBlue has a white ring and a TurquoiseBlue has a salmon ring so an EmeraldTurquoise will have a ring in between in colour IMO.

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Recio, as far as this group is aware of, there are only the 2 for sure df Emeralds in existence so far. Deon's bred by Phil and Chris'. Your analysis may have to wait for these birds to mature.

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Also, I'd like to point out that we should keep in mind that a mutation masked in green series and visible in blue isn't necessarily a parblue. For it to be a parblue, it needs to happen at the blue locus specifically. Johan, what heterozygous mutations which are masked in Green series but only vis...

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I'd love for the /Emerald hen to be photographed with a Wildtype and with a tail comparison just 'to see'.

The /Emerald hen is a CHCT according to Ben, so a tail comparison is invalid.

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The Green youngster would be split Emerald OR Blue then, not just Blue.

Wrong Willy, Ben is right, if the young received an Emerald gene it would combine with the for sure Blue gene = EmeraldBlue not /Emerald

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Great news. The Green youngster would be split Emerald OR Blue then, not just Blue.

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Very interesting that the df Turquoise is so visible at fledging when combined with Violet. It is often hard to pick a df Turquoise until after their 2nd moult. Good going John.

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Ben, the Emerald was from another clutch, the others have a Deep Blue sibling.

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we were not sure if the bird from Martin was a deep blue, dark deep blue or just eu dark blue

I talked to Martin recently, he had never bred a Deep Dark Blue. You have Deep Blue (Oz Cobalt) if that was what he said it was.

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Image was with a flash. The grey bucket is far better than a white one.

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A bucket of 4 chicks showing all possible EmeraldBlue outcomes from an EmeraldBlue x Deep Violet Blue.

cw, Deep EmeraldBlue, Deep Violet EmeraldBlue, Violet EmeraldBlue, EmeraldBlue

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Chris, this is where you jump in and tell us how old are the first df Emeralds that you and Phil bred? Phil told me he sent you one but didn't realise it was df and that that is the one you sent to Deon. Phil asked me the other day how you tell and I just passed on what you have observed, that of th...

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Thanks Sheyd, so simple, I am always looking for the hardest solution.

Chris, g'day too,

If Emerald is Parblue

EmeraldBlue x TurquoiseBlue =

25% Blue
25% EmeraldBlue
25% TurquoiseBlue
25% EmeraldTurquoise

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Recio and Tienie, great advise which I, as one half of most arguments (me against the rest) on Terry's forum, and final winner of a couple of major topics, hope to follow on this great forum. I know, "arrogance", ignore my short comings and digest the message. Now how about a quick lesson ...

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That is a great phenotypical analysis Recio. We now however have Mike's breeding of the heteroallele EmeraldTurquoise x Blue (I leave out the CHCT and the structural mutations) giving 5 EmeraldBlues and 2 TurquoiseBlues. If not Parblue we would have expected Blue birds and EmeraldTurquoise young als...

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Eva, Pastel is properly TurquoiseBlue. Silver is Cinnamon Grey.

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Hi, if your bird is in fact a Cinnamon Grey TurquoiseBlue x Blue you will breed: cocks 25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /cinnamon 25.0% 1.0 blue /cinnamon 25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon 25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon hens 25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue cinnamon 25.0% 0.1 blue cinnam...

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Great response Ben. Cheers.

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Ben, I had a couple of 'Dom' Edged birds around 10 years ago when they were known as 'fallows' and supposedly all cocks were split Cinnamon. You probably know the story. The image you just posted http://parakeet.me/irn/f/dftuqEdged.jpg is stunning however please try and get me interested as all I ha...

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What did you do to the python?

Took him for a ride and let him slither away. I would have liked to keep him however here in Oz you can get a pretty big fine for keeping native species without permits etc.

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Hi Gratz, not too sure yet about your perceptions of green and blue. This is your last image of your EmeraldBlue which I see as being the same as mine. Taken straight on or at 90 degrees. In my eyes definitely bluer than green. http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a501/Allpetsaviaries/20131105_093659...

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Recio, here is another image. The feathers may moult in devoid of structure and pigment but they are also brittle and then get ragged from preening as time goes on. It seemed diet related because the lorikeets involved improved in my aviaries. I never bred one myself. A galah I have had for 18 years...

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Not implying trickery by you Gratz, the camera angle does the tricks. Any change in the incidence angle of a blueish feather as in a Parblue will alter the blue tones, decreasing them makes the feather greener looking. In the 1st image the TurquoiseBlue's flights are at 90 degrees to your camera whe...

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Gratz, I know Phil and we have been to each others aviaries. Deon's df Emerald is Phil's bird via Chris. These latest pics agree with mine, the flights are those of a parblue. The green appearance of the flights was obviously a trick of the lighting etc. We are back with Mike's results, 7 chicks fro...

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Sherjil, where can we find "Babu's profile"? Cheers.

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Molossus, the first order of business now is to breed a clean Dhani. Babu sure makes us work for it. Can you get an image from him of the original mutant?

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The feathers are clearly ragged at the ends. They are not mutant feathers they are damaged feathers IMO. I have had plenty of these feathers over the years.

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My dhani hen is a mustard brown bird. It has an overtone of mauve. None of the chicks look like their mother. One of the young is clearly a Blue, the other is not. In order for one to be Blue the Dhani hen is split Blue. For neither chick to look like the mother, either of the parents has to have a...

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the cock paired to a blue/ctail bred a violet grey bird...go figure??? I presume that the Violet Grey was proven by breeding? Grey would mask Violet so how else would you know? If the cock indeed bred a Grey I would use a different Blue which you know breeds normally, otherwise you are adding anoth...

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