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Lushen, it is hard to tell what went wrong there, but there are a number of reasons for infertility. Perhaps the cock has problems (under developed organs, age, who knows?), perhaps the hen has similar, sometimes both are perfect and they simply aren't compatible (split them up and they breed like c...

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As you will notice, 1 of the chicks seem to have what looks to be an inflated lung or air sac, but I could be wrong, it just seems to high to be the birds crop, will recheck tomorrow with another pic, but can someone clarify what this is? Looks like the crop to me. You can sometimes gently massage ...

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rod038 wrote:A bird cannot be split Turquoise, either it is or it isnt.

That's not true; a bird can indeed be split for turquoise, e.g. green / turquoise. Turquoise is an allele of blue, so whatever holds true for blue, holds true for turquoise.

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If the birds come from unrelated parents then you could mate the siblings. There is sufficient genetic diversity to produce healthy offspring. Often breeders do this. I certainly would. :mrgreen: I don't think you would pair two girls together. ;) As said in the first post they are sisters. :D mada...

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Well, think of ino and pallid as follows. First, we saw a mutation at a specific region in the genetic make up (locus) that caused an effect where the melanin stopped being produced. This caused a type of albanism, which, as most know, isn't a good thing. So nature tried to correct the problem to re...

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Hey Lushen, of all the news, I'm happiest about pair 3. :D Two adult birds often don't need more than two weeks to make up their mind and get the process started. As for the others that haven't gone down yet; well you said it best. Patience! I have two pairs that, according to my records, started ma...

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Well, you should know whats going on with them long before they will be ready to be sold.

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Hi Carmen, you'll have your answer in a month or so. The red eyes can be confusing, mostly because of the combination. The lutino hen should only be able to breed black eyed chicks, unless the cock is split to ino. A clearheaded cock will also only breed black eyed chicks, unless the hen is split fo...

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Actually looks like a cobalt turquoise pallid to me , unless the camera is making 'a funny' with us. The blue band surrounding the neck seems a shade to dark for a normal turquoise blue pallid. Here is a page with the pallid series: http://home.wanadoo.nl/psittaculaworld/Mutations/P-krameri-Pallid.h...

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Why don't you candle them and see if they developed?

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Violet green split cleartail and blue dad X violet turquoise cleartail comes from a violet cleartail dad X violet cleartail mom The first pair will produce heterozygous turquoise offspring, if the cock is truely split blue. If, however, it was split for turquoise, the offspring 'could' be homozygou...

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I don't have Molossus' mojo for fertility inspection in pictures, but those eggs all look good to me...

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Lushen, from my experience, handreared parrots (not exclusively IRN) do not make the best breeding birds. They sometimes tend to forget that they are parrots and will mostly favour human attention to there 'responsibilities'. Therefore, since my dad and I mostly breed for the aviculture market, and ...

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Lushen, any news on pair 3 and their behaviour? I would be very happy for you if they decided to extend the family.

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Lushen, between me and my dad we have blue, turquoise, grey, dark, violet, dilute, clearhead, edged (with and without cinnamon), ADM pied, opaline and bronzefallow. Hopefully I didn't forget anything.

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Hi Kevin, I think the gurus are a bunch of rather bright individuals and mostly deserve the credit given to them by their elevated status. The phenotypical difference (at least, this is how the hypothesis goes at this stage) between a green and a green emerald will mostly be observable with UV light...

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Lushen ask Johan...he is Dom edge crazy.. Johan .... Come out...I saw you. You make me laugh, hey! :lol: Lushen, here is the unfortunate sad truth(s) about our hobby. Some mutations are expensive, some mutations are cheap. Some mutations are easy to find, some mutations are rather difficult to almo...

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My advice would be to pair the most expensive blue series bird you can afford with it, i.e. blue, cobalt, violet, violet cobalt, DF violet, etc. If the budget is tight (as it can be after purchasing a DF violet green!), then try to at least go for a cobalt. And of course, there is absolutely no reas...

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Did you get any offspring from this male? Any info on the parents? If not caused by your camera then the bird shows clearly a violet shine on the whole body. Can i send the pic to another breeder for clarification? The bird was paired with the cobalt edged hen in 2011 and produced three chicks. All...

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Thanks Madas, I appreciate your feedback and the effort of contacting somebody else. I will await his opinion with anticipation. The edged blue (cinnamon) and edged Dblue hens were purchased from the same breeder. I will need to inquire whether they were from the same parents, where it could be a ca...

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Madas, do have some pics of the tail/flight feathers of edged birds without cinnamon? I'd love to see the feather shaft without the cinnamon effect. What is strange to me about the cinnamon edged Dblue bird is that the eye seems normal and not red. Edit: I found a picture of our edged Dblue hen to c...

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Thanks for the pictures, Madas.

Do you perhaps have some of a edged cinnamon? And does such a combination show the dark red eye of cinnamon?

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I would leave them as they are, since you say that they seem settled. The breeding outcome will still be interesting and provide some info regarding the cock. Next year, however, that cock should go to something other than an ino or pallid. These two mutations remove melanin from the flight feathers...

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Hi Lushen, the bird is definitely not a standard blue, thats for sure. I only recently developed an interest in edged birds (which I believe this is), but still needs to investigate the differences between the edged mutation, and the cinnamon edged mutation combination. There is much confusion about...

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Lushen never underestimate the value of record keeping. I record first displays,matings.. nest box inspections date and no eggs..first eggs .. Last egg laid ... Hatching ratio ... Colors etc..this helps determine true value of the bird as a proven breeder...Good luck with your breeding. And I add t...

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Hi Carmen, no worries about hijacking the topic; I'm guilty of that myself and can only justify it by saying that the topic is on 'thoughts on mutations'. And we both supplied some thoughts! :lol: As for the question regarding the neckring, if the neck ring consists of black, white and rose, it is t...

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Hi Lushen, I only have a pic of a dominant edge blue, not the others you have requested. I haven't seen recessive edged IRN, so can't comment on those. The most obvious difference to me between the dominant edged and normal bird are the flight feathers. The difference is massive, with dilution in th...

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Very true Madas, but 25% cobalt and 25% violet cobalt only accounts 50% of the expected outcome. Just like for cobalt (variety 1) x cobalt (variety 2). And for cobalt x violet (variety X?)... :wink: But, since we already have the first 50%, let's hope that this season all chicks will be form the oth...

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Hi Johan, To me it looks like violetcobalt, this is what I have been breeding with cobalt & violet combinations. I think you have answered you own question "the bird is more violet than a violet" this is typical of the violetcobalts, in my breeding outcomes the violetcobalt colouring ...

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Here is the bird that I meant to upload... http://images56.fotki.com/v371/photos/7/1393397/10942659/P6030132-vi.jpg This is a cobalt, but a rather purple looking one when compared to our others. And also the first bird to be confused by visitors with the violet we own that looks like a cobalt in SF....

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Hi Johan, thanks for confirming, I've heard this as a story from a friend who also breeds ringneck, but found it hard to believe that they originated from the same city I live in, I hope to one day get and breed some pieds from this strain, another question, if a breeding pair of ringnecks are both...

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The Salaan pieds are actually rather scarce in South Africa, probably because of the abundance of the Hillerman strain that originated here and therefore less interest. If the young ones in Germany loose their piedness, those are probably from Hillerman stock. Jaynee stated that the Salaan pieds 'ar...

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Unfortunately, not my birds. Fortunately, my dads. :) I will try and find some pictures of violet cobalt pieds, but I don't think it is going to be easy. These birds are very rare, and I have not seen one. Madas, are these German pieds from the Salaan or Hillerman pied strains, or perhaps something ...

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Hi Madas, the bird was purchased as violet pied, and I'm pretty sure that it isn't violet cobalt. Unfortunately, I don't have pictures from the front, but here are some more. A back view (partner of the original pied): http://images57.fotki.com/v81/photos/7/1393397/10942659/P6030139-vi.jpg The two t...

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McmillanBirds wrote:Is it not the same violet hen as in your first picture?

Nope. Pictures taken on the same day. Note the difference in the dimension of the wire mesh.

molossus wrote:Cobalt.

Reason?

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And just to illustrate how difficult it can be with photos, light and finally colour representation on an LCD screen, please give me your thoughts on this hen. What mutation do you all reckon this is?

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Well, I've heard of eggs in Kimberley and Klerksdorp as well. And my first pair went off this weekend past. I'm in Gangsta's Paradise (GP).

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Is this topic exclusive to SA east coasters, or can us inlanders chirp in as well?

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Hi Rod/Justin, as I've mentioned, I'm a bit stubborn regarding the violet mutation. Now, I agree fully that the pictures Rod have shown is indeed one of a variety of strains of violet, but I have found (actually still do) it cumbersome to explain to breeders investigating the potential of violet tha...

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Carmen, I don't think you need any help. It seems as if you've got it right. I agree with most choices. 1) definitely agree with this bird being a pallid (it might be an indigo pallid) 2) Interesting bird! In many circles this would go through as a grey indigo, but the rose in the neck ring makes it...

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It was believed to be the same for some time, but evidence is suggesting that it might not be the case. Offspring from an emerald x green pairing will be required to investigate the new hypothesis.

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Lushen, I'm no expert but I think Rod has it spot on. It depends on two sex-linked mutations, not one. E.g. you have a split bird from a lutino x cinnamon pair. This means that one mutations goes as X1, the other as X2. When you compare the outcome of a green / ino (X1) cinnamon (X2) x green, the ch...

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Blue. You'll know a violet bird when you see it, especially when no turquoise is involved.

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Unfortunately, I only own one parblue that can possibly be indigo, so I can't set up an experiment with indigo x indigo to establish whether we do see and what a homozygous indigo would look like. Hopefully somebody out there has done / is doing it. To be honest, I can't imagine why this hasn't been...

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Recio, I (again) agree and don't necessarily agree. I'm complex that way. :D What we are seeing in turquoise are birds what have been bred selectively over 30 years. The offspring might not necessarily vary all that much from their parents, but that doesn't necessarily say that they look exactly or ...

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Hi Johan, I agree completely. The only question here is : does an IndigoTurquoise induce a higher production of psittacin than a BlueTurquoise? To me it depends on the type of turquoise : As you know, and you wrote to me, there are some BlueTurquoise IRN showing a heavy turquoise phenotypic expresi...

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Both are dominant in the blue series, so the simplest answer is to consider it just like any other dominant x dominant pairing. Lets ignore any type of interaction that may or may not occur. Then the result will be 25% blue 25% indigoblue 25% turquoiseblue 25% indigoturquoise From above, you'll be a...

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jarreds mutations wrote:i will try and find out what colour his parents were

That is a very good habit to get into. It will help a lot with managing your pairs. The more info you have about a bird you are buying, the better.

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