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Johan S

Ben, the test you propose is exactly what I suspect has happened when we paired the strange cobalt hen (best guess currently is cobalt 'deep') to a European cobalt and got two shades of mauve. So I think that we have sufficient proof for this mutation that it isn't an allele of dark. Next, we'll nee...

Johan S

Do you know what the parents of your Lutino Hen are? She could be an Ino Cinnamon. I have never seen one and do not know if they apear lighter than a normal Lutino but I guess it is a possibilty because the only way to breed a Cock bird like you did from that pairing was if she did carry Cinnamon. ...

Johan S

Like you, I also have only seen the pictures. So I'm not sure, but it struck me as interesting. This is from my dad's flock, and we stay in different cities.

Johan S

Recio, I have a light turquoise or indigo morphotype hen bred to a cobalt that are on 4 chicks. I think I have sent you pictures of her at some stage. I don't know yet if she is hetero-/homozygous, but we'll be able to establish this. I'll specifically try and pic up similarities in the parblues. I ...

Johan S

If it is for breeding, I can help. Don't have handraised birds. Send me a PM.

Johan S

Any chance of getting a picture of the baby that is causing the confusion? Pretty surprised that it would get a full neckring at one year of age. Maybe I'm misinterpreting.

Johan S

I think Recio should upload some photos...

Johan S

SCB 22 wrote:Hi Lushen ,

You dont have any Dom edge babies or rainbow babies at the moment?
Have a friend from JHB thats looking, and i did say I would find out what you have available.

Thanks

Your friend looking for a pet or to breed with the bird? Might be able to help depending on the answer.

Johan S

Yes, same camera with different light. When you look at the darker mauve, notice how pitch black the nails are.

Johan S

Thanks Recio It's great that you take the time to explain to less knowledged. Johan - Recio & others a. Do you think that DF Turquoise is the correct naming? b. Pair 1 example. Has this been proven to be so or still theoretical? to breed Turquoise out of the pair of Indigo? c. This pic is of a ...

Johan S

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d5ZNY-Yq-Z8/UHJpotdDUFI/AAAAAAAAAGg/CeUIBwje15o/s288/IMG_2505.JPG I know that bird... :D Glad to see you have decided to stop being a 'roofkyker' and start posting. 11 post after being on the board for more than a year? Tsk tsk. Welcome. :) Ben, we have mostly sto...

Johan S

An update on the chicks: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Structural%20mutations/PA050033A_zpsce0e3375.jpg Above picture taken with a flash. And just to show how much the colour on a picture of a single bird (the cobalt look-alike above) can change for different lighting setups: ht...

Johan S

Hi Recio and Ben Apologies for not having time to work with the percentages presented, so I will rather only comment now on breeding reports. Regarding pair 2, I would think it likely to be indigoblue x indigobluel. There has been more reports of homozygous indigo birds with no pink in the ring, tha...

Johan S

Ben, I agree with you that CHF is not the easiest bird to breed. They are not a fallow for nothing. However, from our experience they aren't all that hard to breed either. This could probably be that we have never put a fallow x fallow and always breed split x fallow. If you think CHF is hard, try b...

Johan S

Recio wrote:May be it is better : Any parblue producing at least one blue offspring MUST be an heterozygous parblue.
It is almost the same ... but clearer.

Or, one last time to summarize everything: Any parblue a) with one blue parent OR b) producing at least one blue offspring MUST be an heterozygous parblue.

Johan S

... How to detect the heterozygous birds? Very simple : every parblue (or creamino) born from a phenotypic parblue (or creamino) and a blue (or albino) will be heterozygous whatever the parents genotype is (homozygous or heterozygous). ... PS: I decided that the second allele increase in 50% the pr...

Johan S

Do you think it's worth testing this theory and prove it right or wrong once and for all? Tempted to have a go at it. I think it is always better to test theories/hypothesis than to keep in breeding birds with known outcomes and learning nothing. So I completely agree with you: let's try and see. A...

Johan S

2. Let's imagine that the homozygous form of each parblue (ParblueParblue) is able to increase psittacin production in 50% Hi Recio, not quite sure what you mean by 2. as I think it can be interpreted in more than one way. Example one: A: 20 + 20 * 0.5 = 30 (when thinking that heterozygous adds 20%...

Johan S

Hi Johan, The amount of visual violet is not related to either Turquoise or Indigo, which are mutations acting on psittacins (partial block of its synthesis). The amount of visual violet depends on the amount of melanin let by Pallid. From a phenotype point of view Turquoise or Indigo will "co...

Johan S

Johan, 3 "obvious" birds stand out of that cage that would be something i'd like to add to my collection. i guess you know which.. one of which we don't have here in Au. (as far as i know) I was under the impression you had all of those in Au., but very limited opaline and only a handful ...

Johan S

Hi Johan, forgive me for going off the topic, but can I ask why you cages are made like a tube/cylinder or round shape instead of the normal straighter rectangular shape Thanks Lushen Lushen, mathematics is my friend, thats why. :D Circumference of a circle with diameter of 0.9m is significantly le...

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Doubt it will be ino. Ino masks the violet much more successfully than dilute and you would have seen only the very faintest shade of violet, if any. Chances are good it is pallid if it lost it's colour like you said. Some breeders have mentioned to me that their birds in full sun (no trees or shade...

Johan S

Lushen, this is a contribution of note! Well done!

I wish the moderators would 'Sticky' this topic and that it can be maintained for all the questions about the genetic calculator. Would clean up the forum quite nicely.

Johan S

Hi Ben, unfortunately the first nest that can possibly give grey have only hatched this weekend past. So they are very far behind this bunch. Will make a point of throwing some of these, along with a grey or two, and some cobalt, violet and cobalt violets (the other strains we have) into one aviary ...

Johan S

Ring0, as you can expect, we are rather excited with the result. They have grown a bit since.

Johan S

That's why I was surprised...

I think the breeders that ended up with the mauve chicks tested a different mutation from Willy.

Johan S

So lets guess what he got: I would say 4 mauves and 1 cobalt. Madas LOL, you cheated! :lol: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Structural%20mutations/H25MauvesenKobaltFoto2_zpsbf194013.jpg I have interpreted the breeding results as follows: Offspring shows that the hen 1) definitely...

Johan S

Reason i was questioning this bird is the loss of the violet color, and if i remember correctly in this forum i read that indigo does do that. I think it is going to happen the other way around; indigo will reduce the green/yellow and more violet will be visible, while turquoise will increase the g...

Johan S

I think I now see where things might confuse you. Birds are described by the mutations they carry (this is the genotype), and not the colours that we see (this is the phenotype). Secondly, the mutations name is selected in such a way that it closely describes what happens when compared to wild birds...

Johan S

You are right, I'm very excited for you about pair 3!

As to your question, opalines have black eyes at birth.

Johan S

Hi Madas, I didn't know how to break the news to you. :( I have chicks out of pied pairs, as well as dark factor pairs that also show it. However, something is causing this. It is still a valid question: Why do some chicks show it, while others don't? There are many variables. Maybe it has to do wit...

Johan S

Madas is doing some research into white stubble, particularly chicks showing it vs others that don't.

Johan S

@Carmen, that is one decent hen to manage such a large variety in chick size. If you ever do decide you want to upgrade to rarer mutations, you should keep her as a foster.

@Madas, I've notice that these chicks have white stubble. I know you enjoy that particular topic.

Johan S

I'd go with at least DF violet, but possibly also DF violet cobalt. More pictures would help. Stunning bird, regardless...

Johan S

Carmen, we have a couple of phenotypes of pallid (I think four) in SA. Something else about them, sometimes we see that the cocks become slightly greener when they mature. It may also be that it is a darkgreen pallid, but it is rather pointless debating it in to much detail without have a chance to ...

Johan S

I think it is a green pallid. The green is a diluted form and isn't dark enough for cinnamon, and tends toward lime (one of the old names), but it is dark enough not to be pallidino. The colour in the flight feathers is tinted with enough grey to make me rule out cinnamon as well. The neck ring is d...

Johan S

rod038 wrote:I did a check this morning when I was feeding them and all her eggs were warm so maybe she was just a late starter. I will leave her to it now. Thanks again everyone for your help.

Great news!

Johan S

Hi Ring0, You get at least two variaties of violet, the one strain already looks violet in SF (lets call it Strain 1), and the other looks like cobalt with perhaps a tinge of violet in SF, but produces violet DF offspring (lets call them Strain 2). I know for a fact that both types exist in SA, and ...

Johan S

Johan, I have never heard of or seen a cock chase his hen back into the box. That is rather amusing to me. Come and visit me and I'll show you some. You might find it amusing, but I don't think the hens do... :lol: Usually the hens return before that, though. The cocks will sometimes bite at the fe...

Johan S

Hi Ring0, I'm glad this topic is getting some attention again. I had a look at that website, and I still think that the deep is a lighter bird than the European cobalt. Have a look for example at the deep blue / pallid cock to the violet blue pallid hen. To my eyes it seems lighter than my cobalts. ...

Johan S

Rod, has there been drastic changes in the weather conditions in you region over the last couple of days? If not that, perhaps the hen suffered from some hormonal imbalance as a first timer. If you have an incubator, you could try to mould false eggs from clay or something similar (a tile cement or ...

Johan S

Carmen, can you upload pictures of the parents again? Seems as if the chicks are heading towards lutino, which would mean that the cock is /ino.

Johan S

Although single factor birds are darker then European Cobolt Intrestingly, i have read on another Forum that M. from Qld Au has paired a DF Deep Blue to a DF European Cobolt (Mauve) Result :?: They bred Mauves :!: Hi Ring0Neck, you made some interesting comments. 1) From the pictures I have seen, a...

Johan S

Lushen, I always feel that a good price to pay for any bird is one that is acceptable to both the buyer AND the seller, irrespective of what the market trend is. This is the best way to ensure a good relationship, that will ultimately lead to more buying/selling birds. Until you get to the point wit...

Johan S

Have you candled the eggs of pair 5? If you already mentioned, my apologies. I'm too lazy to re-read everything.

Johan S

Lutino masks a number of mutations, including violet. So the breeder could be/or could have misinformed you. It 'looks' violet, so that's what we used for the guessing game. No one can tell from a picture that the picture actually isn't a true reflection of the bird's colour.

Johan S

Pair 1 - 4th chick now hatched, all black eyed babies so far so maybe the cock bird is not split ino, as I was hoping for Careful to jump to conclusions to soon, Lushen. You will need some more chicks (typically at least three nests) to be very certain. Sometimes you need up to 18 young from the sa...

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Johan's thought: pied green grey cin Am I right? Recio I was still waiting for other pictures... :P I was thinking green cinnamon pied with a structural mutation, probably grey. So you have read my mind perfectly! :lol: However, with the new photos uploaded, I think Molossus has it spot on... This ...

Johan S

Thank you very much for that Recio.... What does a normal green dom edge look like? I would appreciate if anyone could explain or put a link for any pics? Thank You again The topic of edged birds was discussed not to long ago. You'll find some pictures there. http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie...

Johan S

Well, I don't think it is a green pied either. I have some thoughts on what it could be, but would first like to see some more pictures, esp. ones including the flights and tail feathers.

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