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Johan S

Are you just as upset with the fact that you almost can't breed two green birds together these days with a blue or turquoise popping up? Or is it only ino that is carrying this bad reputation? Just curious.

Johan S

AThe mother has parblue feathers on its side wings while its flights and tail feathers are solid blue. The chick has parblue feathers on its back while its flights and tail feathers are pale green. That might be related to the age difference. Do all the parblue chicks look the same, though? That wo...

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Apparently that has been going on since the birds arrived in Oz. Long before then, Willy. That's why we have the same thing in SA. The crossing must have already started in Europe and the birds were exported all over. However, it hasn't reached problematic levels here (yet). It is actually rather d...

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This is probably directed to the S.A members but to anyone who knows or seen recessive lutino head & tails. Does anyone have a picture of one and are they desirable or just a yellow looking bird. Hi Glenn, I am not very experienced with this combination and struggle to tell them apart from norm...

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prodigy wrote:

Peter, are you sure that is a photo of a recessive lutino? Seems very green to me.

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Willy's pictures.

Deep emeraldblue

Deep? violet emeraldblue

PS: they seem fine on my side with the suggested posting method.

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trabots wrote:It seems that this forum website needs the images reduced in size in order to attach without exceeding the post limit. If so that is a real shame. If not could someone please show how? Cheers.

@Recio, could you please forward the instructions I sent you to Willy's email?

Johan S

I agree, mauve violet.

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I don't quite share the sentiment that the bird is a mauve-like phenotype. The overall wash on the underside is a bit light, and the tail region is too light and one can see the violet quite clearly in some of the photos. However, this bird is very close to reaching "mauve-status" when con...

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Hi Zane, Ben's got it right. The Australian breeders that have dubbed their Australian cobalts as 'deep' has all reported that it is a lighter shade of blue compared to the European cobalt. Some of the photos of the chicks you have uploaded appears to be darker than their cobalt parents. Usually, fr...

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Hi Recio, I will respond in more detail one day when I have the lab measurements to back up what we are currently observing with our eyes for the UV experiment. Going forward, I need to collect the necessary feathers and fine tune one or two problems that we identified when we took our first measure...

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Pics please! :D I would be very interested to see the birds as well. Would be especially interesting if you can have your green birds in the same picture as a normal to clearly make the difference visible. Like the other folks have mentioned, it would be invaluable to investigate the bird under UV a...

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Ring0Neck wrote:Here's an article done by Russell one of the first in OZ to have violets, he is talking about the Deep or the violet strain Johan has?

Ben, it seems as if the article was written in 2005. Has the author made any headway in the last 7 years? Would be interesting to get feedback on progress.

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@Johan according to the filters Bird 1 = Cobalt Bird 2 = Violet or DF Violet Truq Bird 3 = Cobalt Turq whats my score ? I will let the puzzle run a little longer. I enjoyed it very much when Madas used to do this. I often wish he would give some more puzzles. I'm sure he has some. Hint: Are you say...

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Let's put this to the test. Who can ID these mutations? :) Bird 1 http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Miscelaneous/04112011042_IS.jpeg Bird 2 http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Miscelaneous/04112011043_IS.jpeg Bird 3 http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/M...

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willowisp71 wrote:(I'm slightly addicted!)

Then you are doing something wrong... You should be COMPLETELY addicted!

Johan S

Sorry Zane, but I'm with Madas on this one. I suggest having a look at them under UV. They should look distinctly different from normal parblues.

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Ring0Neck wrote:i am yet to see violet cobalt chf here in OZ (not saying there isn't any)

Hey Ben, the least I can do then is to let you have a look at this one here in SA.

Johan S

So if a cobalt grey looks visually grey, then what would a Deep blue Grey look like? Lushen, that is the million dollar question! :) Let's take some examples. 1) Grey combined with other mutations causing a structural change (dark and violet) almost completely masks the other mutations. Only someti...

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Hi Willy, welcome to the forum. It certainly is going to be interesting to pick your brain, esp. regarding 'deep'.

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Ben I use filter's on my iphone to tell the difference when it comes to some of the more complex color combinations like Violet Mauve Turq and even certain cobalt birds from violet and Deep's. Then off to the UV to make sure ;-) I thought we discussed those filters after I gave you pics that turned...

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Johan the differences is huge, in very non scientific terms these birds GLOW and a bog standard green bird shows nothing at all. You want to see the pictures, the tequila and beer is on you this time my friend ;-) Well, in non scientific terms I wanted to confirm whether green birds will show a lit...

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Welcome Zane! Hope you enjoy the forum, and esp. participating in discussions. Your knowledge on structural mutations will greatly benefit everyone here. :D The idea of a box for photographing birds is excellent. It will allow for repeatable conditions for the photographs (Ben has also mentioned the...

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prodigy wrote:Hi Johan,
The short answer is yes I have compared to normal green birds under the UV and they look nothing like these.
Peter

Please elaborate. What are the differences?

Also, do you have a picture of the normal green at that age under UV? I would be very interested to see.

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Hi Peter, have you looked at a normal green chick under UV as well to compare? One needs to compare apples with apples, so a green chick of that same age would do very nicely. I went to visit the same breeder that Peter visited, because he confirmed that he had bred a cobalt and cobalt violet specif...

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Definitely not a pied.

Not the best photo for ID purposes, but I'd go with green cinnamon dom. edged. Head is to dark for pallid, I think.

Johan S

Glenn, you'll be able to tell the difference between them in the nest if you are lucky enough to get different phenotypes, and as a last resort by comparing them as young fledglings when sitting next to their parents.

Johan S

No problem. You'll get there! Some mutations are very tricky and you only start getting the hang of them when you look at a lot of different birds. You'll learn best by visiting as many people as you can.

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Recio / Ben, do you know if Willy has reported on the low level of psittacin present in the deep blue chicks? Esp. in terms of a UV investigation? It reminds me a lot of emerald/aqua, and it would be interesting to see what colour (if any) the fluorescence study produces. PS: Great pics, thanks ever...

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Hi Molossus, I'd say it would be invaluable to see a picture of the blue 'azure' in the same aviary with a reference normal blue and hopefully some other structural mutations (dark would be a fabulous start). In terms of breeding programs, I'd go with trying to establish DF 'azure' in blue and green...

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willowisp71 wrote:green/blue ino and the hen green/blue

I would guess the same. And then I'd have the lutino sexed. Chances are good it will be a hen. If it is a cock, you are sitting with a pair where both parents are split for NSLino (recessive ino). Not too likely, but also not impossible.

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Recio wrote:Let's see if Johan has correctly teached me how to do it.
Here are the pics:

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You are a great teacher, Johan
Publicly thanks a lot
Recio

Wonderful to see somebody with two left feet successfully upload pictures! May this be the start of MANY more.

Give a man a fish, hey?

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Here are the pairs and what we are trying to determine from the experiments related to the structural mutations for this season. Just to recap on terminology, violet1 will be the darker strain, and violet2 the lighter strain. Then we have pairs in: violet1 x violet2 (initially started to test if th...

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could you tell us your present pairs with both Violet types to try to better understand outcomes? Here are the pairs and what we are trying to determine from the experiments related to the structural mutations for this season. Just to recap on terminology, violet1 will be the darker strain, and vio...

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Finally got around to take some pictures of the heterozygous male in my flock. Mauve TurquoiseBlue cock http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/parBlues/IMG_8953_zps983e5d16.jpg http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/parBlues/IMG_8967_zpseb050131.jpg PS: Recio, here is a pictu...

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Hi Recio, Ben and others, I'll respond to the SF/DF violet strains when I have the pictures to back them up. At this stage, however, we have not personally bred SF/DF birds in the same clutch in previous seasons from the dark violet strain, but hopefully that isn't the case this year. Unfortunately,...

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What do you think of these 2 violets from same nest? sf & df? violets? http://parakeet.me/irn/BRviolets1.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/BRviolets2.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/BRviolets3.jpg Yip, I'd go with violet in SF and DF of the lighter violet variety. Use http://parakeet.me/irn/BRviolets1.jpg ...

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Ben, at first glance to me it seems as if the chick a SF violet blue (what I call strain 2). Hi Johan, How would you pair up this bird in order to keep breeding strain 2, would it work in similar fashon as Dark Factor? T1 & T2? Paired to a Blue would the violet strain 1 be showing in offspring ...

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Difficult to tell from photo, but I'd guess blue or cobalt dilute. Definitely not misty, though. And blue cinnamon doesn't seem to stick from that photo either.

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Ben, at first glance to me it seems as if the chick a SF violet blue (what I call strain 2). The colour is still very blue, but I have notice from some of the pictures of ours that they tend to become more violet as the feathers grow. Have a look again in two weeks. One photo does suggest some viole...

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I agree with what you guys are saying. We only have to look at our budgerigar and roseicollis friends to see where ringnecks are heading. I have heard of people that have bred two budgerigars with unknown history that have produced more than 15 colours to date... However, we shouldn't be pointing fi...

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I have become so enamoured with mutations and the various colours available Eshana, and to think there are more to come that isn't even listed on the genetic calculator. :D It will take some years to understand their interaction with the other mutations so that they may be included in the correct p...

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And again the father and the last two green resp. greygreen look like they contain the edged mutation. A normal cinnamon greygreen doesn't have "yellow" in the main fligths. Please see Bastiaans book. madas Madas, do you agree with the edged and cinnamon edged combinations and identificat...

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A couple of the grey green cinn I still have. If i remember correctly my aunts one looked Identical to this one as a yougster. I could be mistaken though. I think what Madas is trying to point out is that you may have misidentified some of these youngsters. It is hard to tell from the photos, but d...

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Carmen, that hen has a shade of brown... Don't know if she is dirty, or if it is the light, but that is what I have imagined a lutino-cinnamon would look like. In your shoes, I would most definitely (without even a second thought!) pair that hen up with a green cinnamon cock in 2013. It shouldn't be...

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Recio, to be honest, I don't know how on earth this has not been investigated to death already. Parblues have been with us for many many years. Are any of your parblues cocks? When do we get to see the pictures?

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About the reproductibility pattern of parblues : the best is to compare among heterozygous parblue siblings from an heterozygous parblue parent. Do not compare directly to the parent because the psittacin pattern depends on the age and on the sex. I have directly made these observations with my bir...

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And again the father and the last two green resp. greygreen look like they contain the edged mutation. A normal cinnamon greygreen doesn't have "yellow" in the main fligths. Please see Bastiaans book. madas Madas, do you agree with the edged and cinnamon edged combinations and identificat...

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The anomalie disappeared and the birds got normal feathers after several months (I do not remember exactly if it was 6 or more). I do not know if they have bred and this type of feathers have reappeared in the offspring. Reminds me a lot of pied in that regard, being regressive. Do you know the bre...

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