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We know that Harlequin's have a neckring I don't know why a DF Harlequin would not produce a neckring. Hi Chris, it's a very simple answer. A completly white (beside the bright blue sheen on the head) bird can't show a neckring because all melanine and psittacine is removed resp. prohibited the be ...

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Here is a "What am I" of a higher difficulty. who wants a go? The bird circled Come now Ben, at least give us a decent picture first. Only thing I can tell is that we are limited to pink feet mutations. :P :lol: And a translucent iris. So is it a CHF? perhaps combined with rec. pied. :P

madas

First 1 to me seems as if it is carrying this "mysterious" mutation (a nice looking bird indeed) https://picasaweb.google.com/MCWaviaries/NewMutations02#5952356432031215794 Looks the same way like the "spangle" opalin of Gary Baldwin. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/span...

madas

Hi,

can you post a pic of this bird? Unfortunately i don't think we have such a bird here in Europe.

thx.

madas

Hi Madas, That's what I got the bird as, but never questioned if the turquoise was SF or DF. Haven't seen the parents as the bird was obtained from a fellow breeder who didn't breed this bird, but the details on the ring tell me who it belongs to, so now I have to try and get some contact details o...

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Taliep wrote:Hi All

IMO the bird looks like a DF Turquoise Violet dom edge

Yeah. Or simple SL Edged Dark Turq(df).

madas

Madas, Very plausible thoughts. Can you please elaborate on: "Did anybody give a linkage between dom. pied, dark and blue a chance? Which then leads to a crossover of parblue and dom. pied?" ? I also thought of Dark but seeing that most SBs were bred in blue and violet no dark was mention...

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Bob's thoughts on SB: "Ben, my thoughts, a unique mutation at the moment, not turquoise, I am leaning towards a parblue..." If it is a parblue then we already should have seen a normal "SB" blue series bird without dom. pied. As said before for me the dom. pieds are a "very...

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Ring0Neck wrote: My primary focus is now on PR Mod. , remember PR's article?

No.

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Ring0Neck wrote: from OS

OS or US? If not US what is OS?

madas

Starting from Jack Smith where the Harlequins came from in OZ. Q: What is a Harlequin & WHY did they name it so? why not dominant pied?? (my guess is becuase they knew it is not a D. pied) Saddlebacks & where they originated from !? - how i understand it from info i could find: At Gunnadah ...

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Ring0Neck wrote:

I was hoping you'd pick it up by the file name.

we're looking at green violet CT /emerald

Because of???? I can't see any green series bird in this pic.

madas

Lushen1600 wrote:Ok kewl, does anyone have a pic of an opaline dilute, will like to see what it looks like

Thanks
Lushen

Ring0Neck wrote: there's a pic of dilute opaline here

http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutation ... paline.htm

madas

minnie wrote:http://www.invasives.org.za/resources/d ... -2014.html.

Can't dontload the PDF. Can someone provide me a copy please?

thx.

madas

The only thing that concerns me is that the parent birds are then reported incorrectly. A hidden cinnamon gene in the cock bird could still pass through, but adding SL edged to that as well will be very hard to find. It means the green dom. pied / opaline is actually a green dom. pied SL edged / op...

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Lee, you can contact the PVSA directly (details at http://www.aviculturesa.co.za/index.php/contact-us ) to enquire about their plan of action. They have been aware of this longer than me. And go sign the petition already. You, and your family. And your extended family. And friends. And neighbours. ...

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Hi, depends on the make up of both parents. Means if the emerald male is hetereozyguos or homozyguos for emerald and same for the female hetereozyguos or homozyguos for turq. With pied i think you mean dom. pied aka harlequin. both hetereozyguos: ============================================ 1,0 aqua...

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We have thousands of feral ringnecks here in Germany (which derived from some escapers) and it is proven by scientists that they haven't any effect on the native wildlife and nature until now.

Could be read here: http://halsbandsittiche.papageien.org/

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Anthony anth Mc Geer wrote:No still unkown..but bred out of Grizzle female

Any pic of the mother.

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Anthony anth Mc Geer wrote:now this makes me go hmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Breeder Willie Mc Geer

stress lines?

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You send them to me: mada_s(at)ymail.com replace (at) with @.

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No Madas they are two completely different mutations. the misty is typical almost normal green , dominant trait .. in df (well df is yet to be bred in the world so no current description) . the recessive grey green is an olive green bird that appears mauveblue in blue series , recessive trait. Do y...

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Thanks Stefan, I'll have to wait for 2015 season with him. here he is: http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2069495.JPG Remarks: excellent vibrant color on him. I would tell you what his brother is but you will probably doubt it is so... Ok, I'll say it anyway :lol: it is a violet saddleback/chf i told...

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this thread stems from a recent one showing a grey pallid ino. It is most difficult to identify combinations especially when cinnamon or edge are added. Arising from the current moult I have two interesting clues emerging: 1 : My 6yr old Lutino Greygreen(recessive) Alex hen starts to show dark brow...

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Have you heard if the opaline chf was produced in any colour by anyone < if so any pics around yet to get an idea of the out come. No i haven't. Mr. Bastiaan has some pairs which can give him such birds this season. SO let's wait what he will get. i have a green pied/chf /poss ?opaline? all i need ...

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bennjamin wrote: Have you heard if the opaline chf was produced in any colour by anyone < if so any pics around yet to get an idea of the out come.

No i haven't. Mr. Bastiaan has some pairs which can give him such birds this season. SO let's wait what he will get.

madas

:lol: more than 5 pairs were paired to breed violet turquoiseblue CHFs no such bird was bred but violet chfs were bred by the hundreds :lol: (joke) Thanks Madas, looks like we have a winner ! What about turquoise cobalt CHF, any coloured hens or cocks been bred here in Aus. Would you have any pics ...

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Is it sexlinked like pallids and cinnamons? Yeap. ============================== 1,0 green /opaline x 0,1 green ============================== % from all 1,0 1,0 50% green 1,0 50% green /opaline ------------------------------ % from all 0,1 0,1 50% green 0,1 50% opaline green ======================...

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Johan S wrote:Nice pics, Madas!

So, what is the feeling: would the violet turqblue CHF or the violet indigoblue CHF be the better looking bird, esp. for mature male?

Not a CHF but here is my answer (i would vote for turq). ;)

madas

Hi Ben, here you go. Pics from exhibition. chf violet(sf) turqblue: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/1591pgsq3jy78.jpg chf dark(sf) turqblue: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/161qkuh04m1yr.jpg chf dark(sf) violet(sf) turqblue: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/205s4mn1czwpf.jpg h...

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Edged is a dominant mutation but It is allelic to SL Rec mutations, 2 of them being Opaline & Cinnamon. Edged isn't allelic (allelic = allele of same locus???) to them but it is linked with them on the sex chromosomes. I was the one that proved that you can not split the cinnamon from edged Sou...

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Ring0Neck wrote: (PS i don't know whose bird this is)

Judging from the tattoo it could be Mick Blake.

regarding the bird: def. not a violet(df) dark(sf) blue. Could be 'deep'(df) dark(sf) blue or 'deep'(sf) violet(sf) blue.

madas

Below an Opaline Pied mature hen. http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/piedOpalinehen.jpg If you compare the tail of the opaline harlequin hen with a harlequin or opaline you will see that it is darker then both opaline and harlequin. Why ? The opaline harlequin in Bens pic looks like a violetgreen so n...

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Madas, that specific greygreen opaline cock is the only one I've seen with such a large extended red region in the neck ring. Do you know of others/have pictures? I just about given up on finding more, and have considered that it is the combined effect of both grey and opaline in green series. Woul...

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Thank you both. it is not my bird, i wish :) , however i have a 2y o son violet green/o? from him i paired to a deep blue hen & i expect to see opaline deep hens end of season . The bird in the pic is a proven breeder of opalines and the breeder tells me it is H /opaline! I was/still am pretty ...

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Yeah or cinnamon violet cobalt.

madas

I would go with a Misty , I would like to see the back of both birds OK, so seeing as we don't have any more participants, the first prize goes to Robert. :D What we are looking at is a blue misty cock. It is not a strongly marked misty, but the misty shimmering is certainly there when the bird mov...

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Mad Max wrote:Johan

I dont know much about the Bronse Fallows yet but I think bird 3 might be one

Robert

def. not.

madas

Hi Stefan They are definitely Violet TurquoiseBlue Cleartails. I caught them and put them in my photo box with a Violet Cobalt Cleartail cock and a Violet Blue Cleartail hen and they certainly don't carry a dark factor gene. I think it is just the turquoise that makes them appear darker. You can al...

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At the start of the breeding season I got 7 chicks from a TurquoiseEmerald Cleartail hen. I believed that they were probably 5 emeralds and 2 turquoise but I was not sure at the time because pastel was only clearly visible on one of the turquoise chicks and I had no comparators for 2 of the emerald...

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Johan S wrote:
madas wrote:Sorry but cock1 is not the same mutation (combination) like cock2.
Eagle eyes!

Looking at the tails, I'd say the first one is a DF edged male (or a combination) and the second bird a SF edged male.

thx.

madas

Most Turquoise Pieds have the saddle, but these birds only have saddle for the first year then it completely covers the bird. Ben, isn't this also true for mature saddlebacks? I thought the saddle is lost at maturity. At least, it looks that way from the pictures. So in that regard it doesn't appea...

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Blue df SL Edged cocks of NW -(posted with permission) cock 1 http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/SheyDock/others/nigelsdfedged_zpse5868b7f.jpg http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/SheyDock/others/nigelsdfedged1_zps5633c405.jpg cock 2 http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/SheyDock/others/n...

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Ring0Neck wrote: BUT visual in Harlequins - WHY? Because a Harleq. would be at Blue2/Blue2? therefore the other parblue would be visual.

not even sure it makes sense... brainstorming

Could be true. That's why i said your idea to pair two "saddleback" together makes sence in my eyes.

madas

Yeah very good idea. So if "saddleback" is a "new" parblue of a "second blue locus" then we should be able to produce a non pied "new parblue" which then could be used to test against the "normal" blue. Your thoughts Tienie? regards Madas, in all li...

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Okay cool...cause I just wanted to make sure that you can't breed DF edged Hens.... You can't breed a SL Edged(df) female because females only have one Z-Chromosome which is relevant for the resulting phenotype. The W-chromsome of a female is atrophied and so not able to affect the phenotype. There...

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Can we eliminate Opaline for sure? Every saddleback owner has opalines! Not for sure. Ok, non were bred from saddlebacks but there might be one of the other SL mutation in saddlebacks gen. makeup? perhaps even the harlequin itself?? Anything that does not make sense is an unsolved clue. Harlequin d...

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Hi my guess is blue 2 on right and blue 1 one left this observation was first commented by Babu some years ago where he pointed to b1 as being the normal expression until the parblue mutations started producing the b2 he also pointed to both phenotype were difficult to pick when seperated this brin...

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I missed the pic label.

Sorry.

madas

Thanks a lot guys yes mine look very yellowish and from the chicks looking it looks like edged.What do you think about the darkgreen Madas ? Male cann be sf edged cause one chick was normal Darkgreen/Dilute/blue. Thanks for the pics madas helps a lot I think i have missed the darkgreen chick. Can y...

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