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But in saying that I believe Martin has produced the odd deep that is darker than a euro cobalt . So might be possible of 2 types of deeps .... Lol Correct me if I'm wrong Martin :-) If Martin bred a very dark Deep then it points back to 1 single Deep mutation with a large variation in phenotype be...

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Kappa, It's a taugh call, young v mature there's room for error. My deeps are the same bloodline as Martin's so i will need to get some of the darker ones. Ron & Willy has both types if indeed there's two. Perhaps Willy & Ron could look at the mature birds from J.S./Martin's V Qld line to pi...

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My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks. So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend...

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I already can anticipate your next question.

But i already have 3 questions

& probably not what you were thinking

where's the fourth bird? to start with

can we see it?
what is that "normal" bird? trying to make sense of the 2nd pair.

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Snake & Martin Thanks for the pics. It seems at this stage that we do have 2 types of Deeps as suspected. Could this Deep type be the same as the SA Deep ? I can see the same features in both birds, color seems different but that could be lighting/camera etc Tienie, your opinion is welcome also ...

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willowisp71 wrote: How on earth did you even guess opaline, at this early stage? ...

lol
Using all my 6 senses; few hundred calculations

& because Madas posted the question

an Opaline enthusiast.

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I had my doubts about the chick on the right being opaline being so dark but i thought both parents could have been opaline.
2 on the left show enough dilution for opaline
the 3 chicks are not from the same parents?

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Nice clutch

This is an easy one

SF Dark Green Opaline
SF Dark DF Violet Green Opaline
SF Dark DF Violet Blue Opaline <= should be a real beaut, can't wait to see them fully feathered

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First left is Green
second is Grey Green

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Terje - DD signifies Double Dark, so a DD Blue = Mauve. Cobalt = Dark Blue, or D Blue. Trying to get my head around your DD violet Cobalt? Would love to see a pic :) Deb, You got pretty much everything spot on, you're getting pretty good at genetics. :) Trying to get my head around your DD violet C...

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True, no doubt once new laws are passed in a state the others will likely follow. i merely pointed out so forum members from O/S
can understand what Victoria is.

Of course we are all in !

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I had a quick glance through and unless i'm missing something there is no threat to bird keeping in any way. If i am missing something could someone point it out please. This is not Australia wide but limited to Victoria state. It says: 3. Non-indigenous bird species that are known to be in Victoria...

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http://www.depi.vic.gov.au/agriculture-and-food/pests-diseases-and-weeds/protecting-victoria-from-pest-animals-and-weeds/legislation-policy-and-permits/new-invasive-species-management-legislation/public-consultations-and-reviews/non-indigenous-birds-consultation The above is last year's "You a...

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And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3236_zpsd4716c23.jpg Madas, there's your riddle. :D This is easy: SA 'd...

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Olivey one is Grey Green
The second is Green
Very nice.

Ringnecks can go second clutch esp. if young are pulled for handraising and pair is mature.
They would call it "WTB" & go again

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Oh, Ok, so the 2nd bird original pic is SF Dark SF NT Violet Blue , i still see that bird very dark to carry only 2 struct. mutations in SF, (using two screens). If that is the case how would that bird look adding df vio to it?! :shock: first bird on the left is light but probably not as light as yo...

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And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3236_zpsd4716c23.jpg Madas, there's your riddle. :D Nice bird indeed. A...

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Mikesringnecks wrote:Excuse my ignorance but what does NT Violet stand for?
Kind regards
Mike

Mike
These birds are bred in South Africa & NT stands for Nico Theunissen violet
breeder's name that bred/imported? these birds

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Your Question is: Is she Edged or Edged Cinnamon?

She is Edged alright, no cinnamon i thought a few months back, however seeing her a bit more mature in the pics could be cinn as well if there is brown in the flights as the pics show and the lower mandible fits cinnamon .

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Very dark birds, a lot of greyish toned color
If the first one is vio cobalt well..
my vio cob looks like this:
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/cobVio.jpg
could be the lighting and type of camera used.

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When i wrote Violet, i paused ... as i knew it's gonna come back to bite me

but that's what i remember breeder sayin

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I'll go L to R (turq. perch) DF Vio SF Dark; DF Vio SF NT Vio; DF Vio Green
front perch DF Dark

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madas picked it but was unsure if the shiny yellow back is only caused by emerald and dom. pied or if another parblue is in play. Oh Cool, so you were thinking ahead of the pack. :D how she looked a month ago http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/sbfeb.jpg it had no violet in the tail http://parakeet.me/irn/...

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here is a good example of mutation progress (opaline in this case) in Turquoisine Parrots & selective breeding at work

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/P4141256.JPG

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yep, one can see everything on the website once a page is opened

still relevant to show a particular pic link so there's no confusion which bird is talked about.

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I personally think we have 2 types but that's just me. Only recently, since the green deeps were bred and the 2 types were clearly visible Willy is working on this which is great as he has both types Another allele of the locus or by a completely different mutation (different locus) with a very simi...

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yeah

you need to make 10 posts or so, you got 6 so far

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Nigel,

you can copy/paste photo links from your website
just paste the link instead of asking Shey all the time to post 4 u

like this
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/P4141180.JPG

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Still don't see it on that violet, though

you don't see it because it isn't there

Congratz on picking it up Johan.
I was thinking Madas would pick that by its head color being so close to the other turq-emerald
pics were not the best in a fuzzy lighting cond./ overcast

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do you know whether all these birds were bred from a single source, or are they from more than one source? Willy has told us that he sourced his Deeps from 3 breeders if i remember correctly. Ron & Martin, & a QLD breeder; which is the type of deeps i believe are darker in green. since Mart...

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Johan,

i'd go with your first guess as the correct one.
deep dark should have almost black flights
these birds have strong darker blue in the flights.

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Shady you even got me pairing two males...I even pictured their offspring..

Mol

there's also violet & cinnamon in play just to make things more colorful ;)

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Ben, love the fact all your babies will be edge- no guessing as to what's what- I would imagine to be very hard otherwise. Yes makes things easier both are cockbirds :lol: this is the hen i plan to pair him with but she is rather young... still in 2 minds what to do. http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/P41...

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It is no wonder that so many breeders have sold/bought edged thinking they are pied. WHY? Wishful thinking, greed, lack of knowledge, not doing their homework. Buyers rely on breeders to have the birds IDed properly and it is imperative we do so. Pic below is an example of one pied & one edged+ ...

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Yes, Turquoise or to be on a safer side i should say Emerald+Parblue possible SB-Emerald although we don't know what that really means in genetical terms. Talking to the breeder i gathered that no turquoise was visible as the bird was feathering up only emerald and initially he thought her to be eme...

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Does it look like this?

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Back on the Deep color variation, Willy has taken pics of 5 SF Deep Blues to portait the variance already exists. Age abviously play a role in their final phenotype. Willy said: The 5 Deep Blues show the range of variance in my SF Deep Blues. The cocks generally appear slightly greyer on the back wh...

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Spot on Johan

all 4 do.

here's a better pic of the hidden one

striking color on the tail

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So You can just call your bird what every you thank. :shock: Then how do you know what your buying. No. Let's call them "street names" or "name describing visual appearance" or "to shorten a genetical rumble" or simply nicknames. A nickname is used in non genetical ter...

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Let's see if we get more responses, meanwhile a pic of the homozygous emerald hen

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couple more pix

Quiz: How many of these birds carry the emerald gene?

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Pic of emerald edged (overcast/raining not the best pic) i'll have more pics taken next week

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Ben, that is a very good question. However, those that have been playing with misty combinations report that misty is visible even in albino birds as a soft fawn type overlay over the bird... I agree, i think it can be seen in INO birds, hence my "yellow" hen i suspect misty is paired to ...

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Turquoise (Pastel) is needed if the offspring is mostly white/yellow it will add a nice color throughout the bird.

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there are a few breeders doing just that this breeding season, myself included.
we are not sure how that combination would look like.
the offspring could well be white birds (or yellow in green) esp. the hens.

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Kappa wrote:Hi Madas,
You're right. Sometimes the imagination can work faster than the brain

been guilty of that at times too

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Shoshan what can be sure is that your mature pair is Blue SL Dominant Edged & Blue Pallid (Lacewing) hen young is Blue SL Dom. Edged being a hen it is much lighter than the father. other possible mutations can be misty & cinnamon hard to say from the pics but if the young hen is also cinnamo...

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Hi Tricia, I have seen it at other breeders but it has never happened to my birds, so i have little advice i can offer other than what i have found on the net. https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120724185033AASesWU Make sure the birds do not have mites as they would locate around the ...

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... I tend to think the Blue (Father) is in fact an Edged /Cinnamon and perhaps Misty from the hen??? hen possibly being a blue pallid misty???? I have not seen the father's pics as yet just guessing based on above pics. ... Picture of the father from shoshan clearly a Blue edged & possibly MIS...

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Ben you think misty for everything :lol: Hen looks like a normal Pallid to me. ... Sure i do I bet that i can show you or most other OZ breeders a blue misty as a normal blue & no one will ever pick it as misty. So, how do you expect to see misty in a pallid? what difference do you think a mist...

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