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Johan S

Recio, Tienie does mention a phenotypic difference in younger birds. You just need to read a little further in that topic where Tienie writes: It isn’t easy to distinguish between Cinnamon-edged and edged females although it is easier between sf cinnamon-edged and sf edged males. Cinnamon-edged fema...

Johan S

Recio, considering only females, there are three phenotypes, a) a hen with red to plum coloured eyes when young (cinnamon), and two distinct edged phenotypes, b) a dark eyed hen with diluted, but smooth appearance of melanin in the wing coverts, and c) a dark eyed hen with diluted and irregular (pat...

Johan S

Hi All, I have a couple of questions to ask about egg incubation: 1) If I moved eggs that are laid 7 days earlier from one nest to another, would the hen know by smell that these are not her eggs? 2) Due to the eggs being 7 days earlier than hers and the chicks being born earlier will the hen know ...

Johan S

madas wrote:
Recio wrote:confirmation from Intel
Thought Intel is making computer CPUs. Are they dealing with birds genetic too?

madas

Oh, you clever, naughty boy!

Johan S

Ah, that clarifies what you meant by complex. I thought you meant "difficult".

Thanks for the confirmation on the slate, so we know that the basic order is correct and the approximate distances between the loci further apart.

Johan S

Slate can not be located "to the other side" because 0.680 + 0.464 > 1, which is not possible. Thus Slate would be the first locus, followed by the complex SL-Edge (also in budgies?), Cinnamon, SL-Ino (we do not know which one is before the other), and further away to the other side is th...

Johan S

.... and what about Slate? Any study of recombination respective to other SL mutations? Regards Recio Not for IRN. I'm not aware of the existence of the mutation (yet). I only know of it in the budgie, but maybe it has popped up in another species. I do believe that those numbers have been roughly ...

Johan S

Wessel, you can either join a regional club (like Diamantveld in the Kimberley region), or a national club like the Parrot Breeders Association of SA or the South African Asiatic Parakeet & Parrot Breeders Association (old Ringnektelersvereniging). I'm not sure yet how the Dept. of Environmental...

Johan S

Recio, I agree. That is a very reasonable summary of the possibilities.

Johan S

So to rule out these possibilities you have to test breed a mutated male to a non mutated female. If Nigel is still getting mutated females from such a pair then we could deal with to distinct cinnamon mutations or even alleles. madas Madas, I don't think that is the best approach to solving the my...

Johan S

Hi Johan, ... PS (post edited): I have just had a closer look at the Cinnamon SL-Ino Violet green bird. You are rigth Johan: there is not a lacewing pattern with more melanin on the outer part of the feathers, but rather the opposite: a bit less melanin in the outer part of the feathers producing a...

Johan S

Hi Recio, as always, a very welcome experience engaging with you (why are you so scarce these days?). You have some trouble with cinnamon-pallid, so let me try to address some of your points and maybe I can put your mind to ease. :D 1. These birds all have light nails on my computer. Nothing darker ...

Johan S

Nigel, I'd say birds 1 and 3 are cinnamon, and 2 and 4 are cinnamon-pallid crossovers. Stunning pictures, as usual.

Johan S

BuksV wrote:I have collected 26 pairs of Ringnecks witch varies from Yelow to ADM.Pieds, Cleartails and Opalines.
and the colours vary from Green Cleartails to DF Violet cleartails and ADM.Pieds from green to Turq Mauve and Violet split for ADM.Pieds.

Those are some really nice birds!

Johan S

Stunning.

Johan S

Send me your contact details as a private message by clicking the PM button below my post and I'll forward you some contact details.

Also, as a new member, why don't you introduce yourself and tell us about your mutations?

Johan S

Hi BuksV,

if the amount of yellow increase with each moult, it sounds like progressive pieds. It also sounds as if you might be from SA, so you could consider talking to Henry Ford, who has been working with progressives for many years.

Johan S

Ben, I didn't realise you had an edged bird with an emerald gene. Can you post a picture, please?

Johan S

Ring0Neck wrote:is that not a marker you and madas pointed out to? a "darker: head V not as "dark". other than that the 2 birds are identical in real life to my eyes.

If by this you mean that opaline features improve with age, then definitely.

Johan S

Hi Madas, like you suggest, probably a pallid (the light grey flights are very distinct, and it certainly looks to be a hen), in cobalt violet indigo(df?). The beak colour looks really off on this chick (light pink), and a lot of juvenile barring in the psitacin deposition. I suspect this bird might...

Johan S

I can also say that i've seen young pied opaline that showed no dark head when young, at all. A statement to be careful of, because it sounds like you expect a darker head colour for the opaline than the non-opaline bird. One needs to understand that opaline does not make the wildtype head darker. ...

Johan S

Congrats! Love them eggs.

A tip: include more nesting material. One day your hen might just get a fright and next thing you know, your precious egg is cracked or broken.

Johan S

Very nice, madas! I think we might be looking at the same combination of structural mutations on both green and blue birds, but I'm having a hard time interpreting the colour on my PC screen. Seems a bit blue. What are your thoughts on the colour? Both dark(sf) violet(sf)?

Johan S

Ben, that's the thought and could be the reason, unless mauve doesn't display the markers as well... Then we'll go about our usual business of out of the box thinking. Will have to wait and see.

Johan S

madas wrote:Any findings on the fact that grey combined with opaline produces the best opalines regarding the opaline markers???

Excellent question. I've been wondering about this too. Trying to produce a mauve opaline to compare with the grey opaline, but haven't had luck yet. Hoping this is my season.

Johan S

Which are the reasons to think that what we call Opaline mutation in IRN is the same that the Opaline mutation in other species? As you say IRN birds seem to lack the effect of Opaline on psittacins, despite the presence of both yellow and red psittacins ... and the action of Opaline on head colour...

Johan S

Why? I think the opaline does not have the right color palett/playground to do its magic, or it won't allow it. hopefully pieds+ parblues? could provide such environment for Opaline to do its magical play of colors. Hi Ben, yes, unfortunately IRN breeders are going to miss out on the real magic, wh...

Johan S

Very very nice.

Johan S

Whether they're separate mutations or just the result of selective breeding is anyones guess. Clearly the dominant pieds we see today are nothing like the ones that the Smiths were breeding back in the day. So not necessarily 2 different types of genes, but a difference in how the genes are express...

Johan S

Carmen, Wessel, the last I heard was that you will need a certificate issued by a club that has inspected your aviaries to ensure that you have double doors to prevent birds from escaping accidentally. It didn't sound like they would be going for the permit route, which would require someone from na...

Johan S

Wessel, it gets quiet towards the end of September, with a lucky few to get eggs after that. But I think there is more than enough time for them to settle down in their new surroundings.

Johan S

it has a white head. no red eyes (not albino) .washed blue white body...(not pallid)..since the pallid ino mutation emerged and no females were bred,it was theorised that this was a sex linked phenomena peculiar to cocks alone. I have seen more that one hen that fits the pallid ino description. nex...

Johan S

Madas, that website also refers to slaty, which could be the mutation expressed in IRN and not the same melanistic misty mutation of the link. Or perhaps both are displayed in IRN and we still need to sort them out (I believe this to be the case). Pity I can only go on what Google translate spits ou...

Johan S

Hi allair,

your's seem to be a 'saddle' type parblue/turquoise from the picture. Thanks for sharing.

Johan S

okay- I'll go with Cinnamon- if only they can also have normal coloured edged feet and lower beaks like other non Cinnamon SL Edged birds. Shey, we all have so much still to learn. :D Keep in mind, Tienie reported that the cinnamon edged chick also doesn't have plum coloured eyes, which is somethin...

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Grey => completely destroys the spongy zone of the feather => no chance to see blue color in such a bird becaused no light of the blue wave length is reflected Dark and Violet => altering the width of the spongy zone => changes the wave length of reflected light Now, it is my turn to disagree. If t...

Johan S

My first egg arrived yesterday.

Good luck to all, hope it is a cracker of a season for all!

Johan S

Allair, it sounds to me from the description that you have yourself a bird where the indigo gene from the father and the turquoise gene from the mother has matched up, and she might very well be a TurquoiseIndigo. I'll bet you good money you are going to look long and hard to find a proven one of th...

Johan S

I agree with everything Ring0 said. Certainly does look like a hen, but best bet to have it surgically sexed, or DNA sexed.

Johan S

Melissa thank you so much for your response , I agree with you and maybe some people dont like the results and fact that is what happen , and you are 100% right . But i want to say the following , I have done a lot of comparisons in terms of florecence lights , and all the information about the Eme...

Johan S

That looks like a normal turquoise youngster, allair. The green wash isn't evenly spread. Maybe a new photo will show it in a different light.

Johan S

I agree your hen does look Misty- will you be pairing her up with a normal to see if you are right? Don't have the space, unfortunately. If one of my pairs don't click, I'll move her and the blue cleartail cock that is showing interest in her into a breeding aviary. That should give you your answer...

Johan S

Shey, the brown overlay is stunning in this bird. Maybe you can get him to breed this year? It will give a lot of insight. He is much lighter for sure than the grey sf edged bird with me, so it can either be df edge, sf edge cinnamon or misty edge. I'm sticking with cinnamon, though. :D Here are som...

Johan S

Shey, I see a very distinct brownish wash over the body, esp. visible in the flights and tail. It is very different from the grey edged bird at my place where the diluted regions appear whitish, so I'm fairly confident we are looking at a combination. I'm not sure about misty, since the blue misty e...

Johan S

Nice bird, Shey

What you reckon it is? I'm going with grey cinnamon edged.

Johan S

We have bred them the other way around, now have 3x violet(df) cobalts, but we won't be trying for mauve violet(df) this season.

Johan S

Does look as if there are some DF violets in there.

Johan S

Hi Miguel, I think you'll get a better response if you upload a group shot with all of them close to one another.

Johan S

Not an opaline IMO.

Johan S

Cinnamon or Misty have been known to produce 'coloured' neck rings in Albino cocks Somebody has been paying attention... :D I agree with Shey. First question about these albinos, do they have a sex-linked recessive inheritance? If there isn't 100% certainty, then we can add some more variables, oth...

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