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Ok. I will work on your request for a line up, pallid, platinum and lutino and we can add a cinnamon-ino.

Tienie

Platinum is an allele of the SL ino locus situated between pallid and lutino. Just as you can get pallidino (pallid & ino) males you can also get pallidplatinum (pallid & platinum) males.

Will send pics to Madas to post.

Tienie

Willy

Sorry for my late response, you are correct. It is a dark indigoblue clearheaded fallow. Strange almost all of my indigoblue birds are split fallow or fallow.

Tienie

Hi

Can be a blue pallidino or blue platinumpallid. It is to light for a blue pallid

Tienie

Peter

Is this the only picture you have?

Nice combination of mutations, (cleartail, (pale or dun) fallow and nsl ino) if nsl ino can't mask fallow

Tienie

Stefan

I accept your explanation and will keep trying with one pair. SL edged grey/opaline & opaline/turquoise.

Tienie

Stefan, Recio, Johan ............

What is the next step to name this mutation? or do we use *Dun fallow* like the lovebird breeders until it the name is excepted by .....?

Tienie

Stefan

Thanks great work. I think you can add Platinum to SL mutations.

Tienie

Stefan I understand your opinion and agree with it. The only SL mutation it was tested is cinnamon. (SL edged/cinnamon & green). The problem you are sitting with is that it is very difficult to distinguish between cinnamon edged and edged females. I have noticed that in this combination the ruby...

Thanks Recio

Now if you look at the pics of the original message and compare the flight feathers of “different green” hen with the dilute hen you will clearly see the difference.

Tienie

no cinnamon ..... is a Dilut_green ...... like this ... hello :mrgreen: http://www.ilmiopiccoloallevamento.it/165347189?i=65463010 What do we know about inheritance? If sex-linked I will still go for cinnamon. If recessive with red eye I will go for “fallow”. The colour is to much mustard for a dil...

It is not a pallid nor is it a dilute. I would go for cinnamon

Tienie

Lee, of course I agree that the scientists are necessary. But what do hobbyists do when the scientists vanish from the scene? We need to go on without them until they decide to return. This forum isn't a secret. It is very public and they are also more than welcome to join the discussions. And make ...

Willy

NT blue is the SA "Deep" blue bird in question.

I hope the original imprted '00 "deep" green is split blue. Will be easier to compare in blue series as you mentioned due to availability of green series birds.

Tienie

Johan & Peter Thanks for all the pictures. From what I can see light to dark is blue, deep blue, NT blue, dark blue, violet blue and ............., but we know for a fact that NT blue birds are lighter and different to dblue and violet blue. Does this then point towards a different dark or viole...

Johan As mentioned in one of my emails I own the original European “dark” green (SA “deep” green) imported hen. I will post pictures of her tail feathers, dark green and violet green for comparisons. Let them finish their moult. For good comparisons I believe all feathers must be of the same age and...

Stefan I know you are referring to Wynand's outcome, but remember my original NSL Ino not related to cleartail when paired to a blue cleartail/nsl ino produced both green and nsl ino babies in 2008. The green birds from this pair proofed that they are not allele of the same locus. (a-locus) Wynand t...

Lee

If you think the word grizzle means (mottle) progressive pied then stick to your opinion. I don't know the grizzle mutation very well but from what I have seen it is a major pied but that cock are regressive. I don’t know if hens are progressive.

Tienie

Stefan, Johan & Lee The fallow I am referring to as “Dun” Fallow originated from a mother and son combination (dblue/fallow & dblue/fallow) In 2012 a dblue “Dun” Fallow cock (HN) was paired to a blue/fallow from a different source (AA). The pair produced 3 fallow babies, but a blue “Dun” Fal...

Johan

Mottle pied is a dominant inheritance, pied varies between 5-95% and therefore can often be mistaken for normals.

Tienie

Forum

What is the next step in naming this fallow mutation? Tests with Nsl Ino proofed no relationship with the a-locus. Any suggestions for further test breeding except Stefan’s question about clearheaded fallow.

Tienie

Stefan

We share the same opinion, but what test is available to proof the point.

Tienie

Peter

You must read carefully. I said it is a purple bird and in my opinion can be a combination of deep, dark and violet. I saw some other babies from his pair that were violet blue opaline. I ddn't say it is just a deep blue/opaline.

Tienie

Willy I understand your point of view. As mentioned in my email I only very recently bought SA deep birds. Nico claimed that they were violet because he couldn’t produce a mauve phenotype from pairing 2 sf deep birds. Nico is a very sick man with heart problems. I doubt if he own any pictures of df ...

Hi Peter When I saw Elmar's violet blue/opaline cock I thought it was df violet blue/opaline. He imported it through Antonie and it was in the same shipment I received my first blue turq dilute/opaline cock and grey opaline/dilute hen. It was at Dr Chris Kingley's station. I phoned Elmar and told hi...

Hi Peter I know Elmar very well and saw his original European imported violet blue/opaline cock (very purple bird) about 7 years ago. I also don't think it it is a violet blue opaline. I don't know how your filters work but use them to try and proof my statement. I think it is a deep dblue opaline R...

Hi Tienie, You need 10 posts before you can attach pictures. You can email them to Recio or another member that you know and they can upload them for you. The bird/s you want to show pictures of, are they on Chris's website? Because i can link the pictures here if it is. Ben Hi Ben Thanks for the i...

Hi Forum members Attached please find pictures of a Fallow (Dun or Pale) IRN. It is close in phenotype to Bronze Fallow but tests with Nsl Ino proofed it not to be an allele of the a-locus. From Nsl Ino Cleartail & Blue Fallow(Dun) only normal green black eye babies hatched. From a second pair ...

Hi Forum members Attached please find pictures of a Fallow (Dun or Pale) IRN. It is close in phenotype to Bronze Fallow but tests with Nsl Ino proofed it not to be an allele of the a-locus. From Nsl Ino Cleartail & Blue Fallow(Dun) only normal green black eye babies hatched. From a second pair D...

Hi Forum I would appreciate some assistence in identifying this Fallow (Dun or Pale). It is a fallow close to Bronze Fallow in phenotype but test breeding with NSL INO proofed it not to be an allele of the a-locus. It is grey-brown fallow, breeds easier compared to Bronze Fallow and reach maturity a...