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Thanks Johan,

Tienie's edged-opaline hen was bred from a similar cock, so it further supports the premise of being linked rather than allelic.

and Opaline mother?

http://parakeet.me/irn/f/edge/SL%20Edge ... mother.jpg

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Actually, I was right in using allelic for what i want to speculate. Here is another instance: Edged-Opaline hen x wildtype Breeding result i want to achieve from pair above to be the same as TurquoiseBlue to a wildtype 1,0 green x 0,1 turquoiseBlue 50% green /blue 50% green /turquoise Replace Blue ...

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Thanks Madas, Allelic is the wrong word in this instance for what i was trying to portait. linked with them on the sex chromosomes - Yes. One thing is to work out the how and another to translate it in genetical terms. I enjoy the first part :D Tienie, Would you have an updated pic of the Edged-Opal...

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Regarding the Edged. * T he inheritance mode of Edged , has it been proven beyond doubt? Has the breeding tests been performed by more than 1 breeder and non-related stock? Ignoring what we know regarding Edge, here is a possible model inheritance formula for the Edged. Everything is very relevant ...

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Thanks for the link Molossus You can also get the Oz Birdkeeper Mag and in this issue you can read about the OZ Deep Blue :shock: http://www.pocketmags.com/viewmagazine.aspx?catid=1031&category=Family+%26+Home&subcatid=192&subcategory=Animals+%26+Pets&title=Australian+Birdkeeper+Maga...

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Shey,

Could you please show us your DF Violet SF Dark bird?
this combo is nothing like the bird in Q.

** Shey: ask the breeder who owns the bird this:
Is it true that this bird looked like a cobalt before the 3 year moult? a lot lighter about 2 times lighter.
(PS i don't know whose bird this is)

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Regarding the dom. pied types: i have noticed at least two types. Both show a nice pied pattern as youngsters but then fully matured only one of them is still showing it. The other has a dilute body color without pied markings. Only sign of pied are yellow resp. white main flights and tail (i think...

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My suspicion is that not all pied-opaline phenotypes will be the same.

since the pieds have a variety of phenotypes it will no doubt alter how an opaline-pied combo will look like depending on type of pied used.

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Looking from Stefan's perspective, it seems to fit the profile of a pied without opaline see below: This afternoon i took some pics (not the best :cry: The sun was in my eyes :lol: ) Green Pied (same bird approx. 7 y old) - Blue Pied - DF Pied - first 2 mature http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/piedsz...

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Thank you both. it is not my bird, i wish :) , however i have a 2y o son violet green/o? from him i paired to a deep blue hen & i expect to see opaline deep hens end of season . The bird in the pic is a proven breeder of opalines and the breeder tells me it is H /opaline! I was/still am pretty ...

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Have a good look at this bird and tell us what you think it is Your opinion is appreciated ! Do you see Harlequin or Harlequin-Opaline? (PS not a clearwing) http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/grp.jpg I am currently stuck on opaline-harlequin combo (and its variable phenotype), the deeper i dig, the mor...

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I have a thought:

Pair up the Azure to Oz Deep for a season.

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this pic i just found taken 6 days ago captured s-thing rather interesting.
same bird as in previous post
i guess because of this color changing layer i consider these birds being Misty_rious

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2069482.JPG

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But if you add violet for example it turns into a more yellow one. Sounds exciting: if Violet in "B2" is yellow i'm thinking: Red IRN; in hope that the B1 limitations are not there anymore :D Sidenote: I keep saying to everyone: I'm hopefull that White n Yellow birds gives us a new pallet...

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Sorry but cock1 is not the same mutation (combination) like cock2. Cock1 looks FUSI like and cock2 looks like a SL Edged(df) blue or a very good colored SL Edged(sf). :lol: Good pickup Madas , didn't notice there was 2 diff birds. Agree, just on Fusi i think = DF Edged Cinnamon or Dilute?/Misty? I ...

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Hi Lushen, Nice birds, We need to ignore the name as it takes our thinking to saddle. These birds rearranges the color in a magnificent way, pleasing to the eye. Most Turquoise Pieds have the saddle, but these birds only have saddle for the first year then it completely covers the bird. *** Have a l...

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Ok, non were bred from saddlebacks but there might be one of the other SL mutation in saddlebacks gen. makeup? perhaps even the harlequin itself?? Anything that does not make sense is an unsolved clue. Harlequin does resemble SL mutations: edged, opaline... so it'll be no surprise if this is the ca...

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Thanks guys. Can we eliminate Opaline for sure? Every saddleback owner has opalines! Ok, non were bred from saddlebacks but there might be one of the other SL mutation in saddlebacks gen. makeup? perhaps even the harlequin itself?? Anything that does not make sense is an unsolved clue Harlequin does...

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He is not Cinnamon, dark grey feet and dark nails, you'll never get that in an edged cinn.
If anything split cinn if you think the breeding results match.
Perhaps df edged, but in this case 100% offspring will be edged, (keep in mind hens will still look lighter in phenotype)

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Are we looking at Oz Deep V Blue?

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One is SA "Deep" blue and the other Misty Violetblue. I agree :mrgreen: If wrong second option is: Both are of the same mutation (one could be SF one DF) or one carries different structural mutations than the other. Left Violet? Right Cobalt? I think you have these birds noted same as Mad...

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Molossus, Regarding your other thread on saddlebacks. we as breeders should be concentrating in understanding the genotype of saddleback rather then worry about value. I know a breeder has a very nice Turquoise Violet CT male , a while back another breeder offered him $10k and he refused. Point is:...

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I asked for it & probably others.

Thanks heaps, helps a lot.

Do i see dark red eyes?
Anything you can tell us about this combo? nice/bad/like etc etc

PS: I would love to know the results from this hen when she breeds.

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Thanx guys so I found out it comes out of a grey turq. And a violet .... So what is and and what does it split for From that pair you can have grey masking violet & you can have grey without masking violet how do you know if it is masking? you don't till you breed with it and breeds violets as ...

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Could this be the Parblue we are looking for? (related to my turquoiseblue pied) http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2069473.JPG it has a diff type green saddle, somewhat similar to what Johan was showing earlier. & Is this the pied? http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P20089761.jpg ---- I've done the ...

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My thoughts (not facts) on saddlebacks: Saddlebacks start with a pied type such as the bright green & blue harlequins from this pic https://picasaweb.google.com/MCWaviaries/Saddlebacks#5954930749765188898 Then you need some sort of Parblue that affects the whole of the bird's body, but thus far...

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Madas, Another pic of my turquoise pied. pic i have taken today. http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2089775.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2089774.jpg if i take 5 pics of this bird moving around it'll always change phenotype as if we're looking at 5 diff. birds. that's why i keep saying Misty, n...

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Johan, A good possibility. The type of pieds/bloodline these birds come from match the name Clearwings. hence the belief that Baldwin had clearwings sold to Chris, i think he believed it to be so. (just my thoughts) Chris if you reading this please feel free to jump in. All i got to say, at the end ...

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Madas, Yes that was same bird, she didn't come out too nice in that pic. will get more pics up soon. I said after i looked again at the pic i posted "perhaps there is not as much difference as that pic portrays but clear difference for now." been very busy i just thought i throw a pic up....

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perhaps there is not as much difference as that pic portrays but clear difference for now. I will also have to take into account the structural mutations in each bird as that would alter the phenotype slightly. will add more pics later, problem with my turq-pied is that it changes color dramaticall...

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no worries and if there's s-thing new , i do want to know, so anyone please share.

On Edged and Cinnamon crossovers , i think we should organise a few pairs to test crossover rate as Johan suggested and
i think Tienie is already organising s-thing with Madas.

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Thank you Anthony.

FYI
Edged are: Sex-Linked Dominant Mutation

I am always learning and this is the latest data available on Edged.

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What I do not approve of is that there are some really greedy breeders out there. they seem to think they have the copyright to the title saddleback,,,thereby making their birds exclusively saddleback and thus more valuable than anyone else with birds that have a pronounced saddle. respectfully tha...

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Ellie

You are a gifted person in undestanding people, rare trait.
I hope all your future plans come to fruition exactly how you planned them and i'm sure Imran will keep your chair/spot empty for your return as long as it might take.

Take Care

Ben

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SL Dom. Edged Hens I think for better understanding this mutation, this issue has to be addressed as i believe there is a common mis-conception that edged hens carry cinnamon, when in fact it is not so in most cases. WHY? Because the hen is so light in color one logically assumes it must also be cin...

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John, Nice, Edged buttercup IMO I have buttercups and they have dark flight feathers, I have edged and their flight feathers are same as body color. when you take pics next take some with flash or in the sun ;) add violet turquoise to the buttercup and it should be a piedish looking buttercup. :P st...

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to breed Dilute you need both parents to carry it at least in splits. edged is more likely as they are sex linked dominant, therefore you only need one edged. if edged hen parent = all males from her will be edged visual if edged male parent= half of all hens n males will be edged A few breeders wa...

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Hi John,

Is the blue bird on the wire from the same parents?
Do you have a pic of it to show wings? looks like an edged blue hen if not mistaken.
in which case you could be having edged turq pieds

what were the parents?

Cheers
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hello I have breed 4 cinnamon edged hens out of a cinnamon edged on a normal female onle one male and it was a cobalt edged/cinnamon Thanks for that. interested if a cinnamon-edged will breed a cinnamon hen without edged. it sounds like your male is DF Edged ?! 5/5 edged birds ? in which case he mi...

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So, you're saying that you fairly confident she is not edged as well !?
I have not seen a green edged pied yet, i was hopefull the day has come

don't have any edged cleartail or pied do you?

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Any chance for a photo of the pied mum?
Perhaps she is edged and we might be able to pick it up , or not

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At first i thought he does not want to show us the birds in detail , 4give me Molossus.

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You certainly have a lot of Qs :lol: but at least they are good ones. only certain sex-linked mutations you can nest sexed, in certain pairings. ex: Albino male X Blue hen you can only have white birds (albino) in hens * this will not work if hen is albino and blue male, as you get no albino at all...

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No turquoise

Could also be a Blue
Best to always know the parents of the birds, if not possible, put a blue next to him (similar age) to see if the same

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http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutations/P-krameri.htm

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megin wrote:INO???

ISNT TURQUISE a blue green color?

your birds are a combination of turquoise + Albino = Creamino its not white nor turquoise but something inbetween.
some of the turquoise's green color turns yellow in other mutations such as Pallid and others.

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creamino?: Yes
creamino= Turquoise & INO (from albino)
Someone said buttercup? No buttercup

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It can, but i don't recommend it.
same genetical rules apply to humans and birds alike.

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Hi,

First one is a TurquoiseBlue Pallid

Second is Blue Pallid

(Some call it by the old names Pastel Lacewing and Blue Lacewing)

Nice birds

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Exciting times ahead Molossus.

As far as to what to pair dhani to?
I would want to replicate the superb Dhani color i've seen Babu has ;)

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